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« Reply #300 on: December 14, 2015, 11:33:45 AM »
If I, as a son was to have told my parents that I wanted nothing to do with them for the rest of my life - let alone theirs - would it have been athem punishing me if they had agreed to honour that choise I'd made?

That's not what's happening, though. You're suggesting that God is there to talk to, but it isn't, and it certainly doesn't talk back - there is no dialogue, no communication, no possibility to query.

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Those who choose to deny the existence or salvation of God are making a similar decision.  Is it acceptable for God to overrule the decision a human makes during their lifetime?

No, we aren't. If there's a God, it's hiding. If we can't find something that's hiding, how is that our fault?

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The Bible is clear that there are a number of options here, O.

And the Qu'Ran is equally clear. As is the Bagavad Gita, and the traditions of Buddhism and Taoism and Jainism and the stories of the Australian aborigines and the Maoris and the Native Americans... and all with equally little justification. Clarity isn't the problem, justification is the problem. Why should I accept the Biblical claims rather than the Book of Mormon or Scientology or Islam?

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Those humans who, for whatever reason, have never heard the name and acts of Jesus will be judged on the strength of their actions during their lives.  Those who hear of Jesus' acts on their behalf and consciously choose not to accept the gift of salvation will be judged on that choice; those who hear and accept will be judged on that choice.

So I can be equally decent a person, but because I don't believe an unbelievable story - not that it's a choice, even, what we believe - I'm condemned to eternal punishment? And you're fine with this, this is a reasonable set-up as far as you're concerned?

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However, Jesus also makes it clear in the famous passage towards the end of Matthew's Gospel that not everyone who claims his name will be accepted; and goes onto explain that this will occur where the person is only a follower in name but not in action.

Oh, that makes it fine, then. Arseholes and decent people who aren't gullible belong in the same bucket... nice.

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I do find it hypocritical when folk like yourself seem so determined to be allowed into eternal life with God that you argue that it is unfair of God to judge you by what you decide whilst alive.

On the contrary, if I found myself before God I'd make a case based on what kind of a person I was in life - I don't expect to be allowed into eternal life because I don't believe in eternal life. I make a case that this description of a system isn't consistent with the idea of a God that loves us, a God that is fair and decent - we can only be held accountable for our choices if they are informed, and we can't be informed about God because, if it exists, it's hiding.

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Re: The Highest Jew
« Reply #301 on: December 14, 2015, 11:37:10 AM »
You stare at the universe daily Outrider and all its many sciences that brought you into existence and you support your sciences to the hilt which say that you and the entire universe came from an eruption that was no bigger than a dot too tiny to see but was held under so much gravity that the universe was inevitable.

Your grasp of gravity is questionable, but more importantly it wasn't science that governed the early universe. Natural laws govern the universe, science is a method by which we try to discover those natural laws. Science is a human practice, not a description of a property of reality.

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I question this science of yours because it doesn't make sense but I have Biblically ascertained that there is a material that existed before the big-bang and, using the Holy Bible realised that this is Almighty God's starting point. So...I will follow my lead-scientist and you can follow yours...mine promises a science that will lead to everlasting life...here, on planet Earth, in the flesh but, I must endure the pains and the distresses that your scientists will inflict upon the planet first...best summed up as World War 3.

You have a 'science' that doesn't have testable evidence of observable phenomena - that's pretty much the antithesis of scientific enquiry.

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My faith remains with Almighty God who, it seems, has all universal problems under control, especially the impending danger from the scavengers of outer-space who want to pick up the salvage afterwards.

And that's absolutely fine - I'm perfectly happy with you having whatever faith you want, and faith in whatever you'd like to think will happen. It's when you mistakenly claim that it's science and cheapen the incredible work of some of the giants of history that I take issue with your claims.

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Re: The Highest Jew
« Reply #302 on: December 14, 2015, 12:19:15 PM »
Your grasp of gravity is questionable, but more importantly it wasn't science that governed the early universe. Natural laws govern the universe, science is a method by which we try to discover those natural laws. Science is a human practice, not a description of a property of reality.

You have a 'science' that doesn't have testable evidence of observable phenomena - that's pretty much the antithesis of scientific enquiry.

And that's absolutely fine - I'm perfectly happy with you having whatever faith you want, and faith in whatever you'd like to think will happen. It's when you mistakenly claim that it's science and cheapen the incredible work of some of the giants of history that I take issue with your claims.

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I think there is enough scientific evidence to state clearly that the universe is the product of a profound science...which...unfortunately...for disbelievers, anyway...was extracted from all its complexities by Almighty God and delivered to us, via its most important form, by Jesus Christ. All chemistry and physics tell us about this scientific route  and so does the Holy Bible.

Gravity is the friction of two dimensions being disturbed by mass so I think I have that one all sewn up...especially the point that, like Jesus, who walked on water, we present ourselves to the forces of Earth's gravity in a number of different ways and absorb a number of different pressures upon the furls and folds of our delicate tissue structures. We generally start life gravitationally buoyant, happy, and healthy, but, by the time we have finished burning off our electric resistance we finish up druggies, couch-potatoes, miserable, with poor blood circulation...and little seems to help.

Well, we could, scientifically, lift some of this excessive, gravitational burden by following the man who walked on water...accurately...but there is much more to him than that.




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« Reply #303 on: December 14, 2015, 12:25:00 PM »
I think there is enough scientific evidence to state clearly that the universe is the product of a profound science...which...unfortunately...for disbelievers, anyway...was extracted from all its complexities by Almighty God and delivered to us, via its most important form, by Jesus Christ. All chemistry and physics tell us about this scientific route  and so does the Holy Bible.

Gravity is the friction of two dimensions being disturbed by mass so I think I have that one all sewn up...especially the point that, like Jesus, who walked on water, we present ourselves to the forces of Earth's gravity in a number of different ways and absorb a number of different pressures upon the furls and folds of our delicate tissue structures. We generally start life gravitationally buoyant, happy, and healthy, but, by the time we have finished burning off our electric resistance we finish up druggies, couch-potatoes, miserable, with poor blood circulation...and little seems to help.

Well, we could, scientifically, lift some of this excessive, gravitational burden by following the man who walked on water...accurately...but there is much more to him than that.

I hope you are speaking for yourself there and not generalising.


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« Reply #304 on: December 14, 2015, 12:43:41 PM »
I think there is enough scientific evidence to state clearly that the universe is the product of a profound science...which...unfortunately...for disbelievers, anyway...was extracted from all its complexities by Almighty God and delivered to us, via its most important form, by Jesus Christ. All chemistry and physics tell us about this scientific route  and so does the Holy Bible.

Gravity is the friction of two dimensions being disturbed by mass so I think I have that one all sewn up...especially the point that, like Jesus, who walked on water, we present ourselves to the forces of Earth's gravity in a number of different ways and absorb a number of different pressures upon the furls and folds of our delicate tissue structures. We generally start life gravitationally buoyant, happy, and healthy, but, by the time we have finished burning off our electric resistance we finish up druggies, couch-potatoes, miserable, with poor blood circulation...and little seems to help.

Well, we could, scientifically, lift some of this excessive, gravitational burden by following the man who walked on water...accurately...but there is much more to him than that.

It isn't possible to walk on water, anymore than it is possible for Father Christmas and his reindeer to fly all around the world dropping off pressies for kids in one night! OH WHOOPS maybe NM still believes in Santa, and he has a 'scientific'/ 'accurate' explanation for how he does it! ;D ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #305 on: December 14, 2015, 12:46:56 PM »
I think there is enough scientific evidence to state clearly that the universe is the product of a profound science...

No, the only thing that is a product of science is our expression of (probable) natural laws. The natural laws themselves may well be profound, and it is they that result in the universe.

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which...unfortunately...for disbelievers, anyway...was extracted from all its complexities by Almighty God and delivered to us, via its most important form, by Jesus Christ.

That's your faith position. I can tell it's a faith position and not a scientific finding by the abject lack of methodology or evidence that you've cited to support it.

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All chemistry and physics tell us about this scientific route  and so does the Holy Bible.

Chemistry yes. Physics yes. Holy Bible no.

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Gravity is the friction of two dimensions being disturbed by mass so I think I have that one all sewn up...

The prevailing scientific understanding is that gravity is the distortion of space-time by the accumulation of Higgs Bosons - no other 'dimensions' are involved. As I said previously, your understanding of gravity appears to be lacking.

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especially the point that, like Jesus, who walked on water, we present ourselves to the forces of Earth's gravity in a number of different ways and absorb a number of different pressures upon the furls and folds of our delicate tissue structures.

Uh... no. The only ways we've evidence for that we can change the way gravity acts upon us is to a) move further away from objects or b) make significant changes to the rate at which we move through space.

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We generally start life gravitationally buoyant, happy, and healthy, but, by the time we have finished burning off our electric resistance we finish up druggies, couch-potatoes, miserable, with poor blood circulation...and little seems to help.

Just unmitigated word-salad. A meaningless conglomeration of barely related concepts with no framework to justify attempting to claim that they interact.

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Well, we could, scientifically, lift some of this excessive, gravitational burden by following the man who walked on water...accurately...but there is much more to him than that.

Except that a) there's no reason to believe that actually happened and b) our attitude doesn't affect the gravitational effects upon our body or vice versa.

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« Reply #306 on: December 14, 2015, 01:01:16 PM »
Science in the bible ( just for a laugh)

Ecclesiastes 1:6-7 ESV / 33 helpful votes   

The wind blows to the south and goes around to the north; around and around goes the wind, and on its circuits the wind returns. All streams run to the sea, but the sea is not full; to the place where the streams flow, there they flow again.


Isaiah 40:22 ESV / 25 helpful votes   

It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;

Job 36:27-33 ESV / 16 helpful votes   

For he draws up the drops of water; they distill his mist in rain, which the skies pour down and drop on mankind abundantly. Can anyone understand the spreading of the clouds, the thunderings of his pavilion? Behold, he scatters his lightning about him and covers the roots of the sea. For by these he judges peoples; he gives food in abundance. ...

Isaiah 43:19 ESV / 15 helpful votes   

Behold, I am doing a new thing; now it springs forth, do you not perceive it? I will make a way in the wilderness and rivers in the desert.

Job 26:7-14 ESV / 15 helpful votes   

He stretches out the north over the void and hangs the earth on nothing. He binds up the waters in his thick clouds, and the cloud is not split open under them. He covers the face of the full moon and spreads over it his cloud. He has inscribed a circle on the face of the waters at the boundary between light and darkness. The pillars of heaven tremble and are astounded at his rebuke. ...

Job 14:7 ESV / 15 helpful votes   

“For there is hope for a tree, if it be cut down, that it will sprout again, and that its shoots will not cease.

Job 12:7-9 ESV / 15 helpful votes   

“But ask the beasts, and they will teach you; the birds of the heavens, and they will tell you; or the bushes of the earth, and they will teach you; and the fish of the sea will declare to you. Who among all these does not know that the hand of the Lord has done this?

Daniel 2:43 ESV / 13 helpful votes   

As you saw the iron mixed with soft clay, so they will mix with one another in marriage, but they will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with clay.

Isaiah 55:10 ESV / 12 helpful votes   

“For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven and do not return there but water the earth, making it bring forth and sprout, giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater,

Jeremiah 10:13 ESV / 11 helpful votes   

When he utters his voice, there is a tumult of waters in the heavens, and he makes the mist rise from the ends of the earth. He makes lightning for the rain, and he brings forth the wind from his storehouses.

My favourite

Ecclesiastes 1:7 ESV / 11 helpful votes   

All streams run to the sea, but the sea is not full; to the place where the streams flow, there they flow again.

LOL

Some people do believe the bible is scientifically accurate.

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml

Others believe the Quran is.


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Re: The Highest Jew
« Reply #308 on: December 14, 2015, 01:37:29 PM »
The Biblical authors had no knowledge of science so cannot be blamed for imagining how the world might have been created, even if we now know it to be completely erroneous!


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« Reply #309 on: December 14, 2015, 04:44:44 PM »

Oh, that makes it fine, then. Arseholes and decent people who aren't gullible belong in the same bucket... nice.


Well, according to Matthew 7, Hope is wrong on this too. It's seems the criteria are extremely inscrutable - not just a case of belief but no action, since in the following, the 'damned' appeared to have both believed and acted on that belief:

"[21]"Not every one who says to me, `Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

[22] On that day many will say to me, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?'
[23] And then will I declare to them, `I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.' "
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Re: The Highest Jew
« Reply #310 on: December 14, 2015, 04:49:06 PM »
Floo, Rose, Outrider:

My favourite Biblical verse is...Look into the heavens, who created these thing? With the superabundance of his dynamic energy (Mighty Power) each one is named and not one is missing. (Isaiah 40:26)...from this statement I have engineered a wonderful science which states clearly that Almighty God was working with a superabundant material when he created the universe.

How did he create it??

He broke the profound secret that even today modern science hungers and thirsts after but God was in Heaven.

And how did he claim ownership over it??

He lived a righteous pattern of life that is dictated to an honest person who strives for goodness in a universe  filled with this indestructible energy.

And how can we be certain of this??

Because Jesus Christ brought that science from Heaven and lived by those same laws on Earth and received the same thanks which is an eternal link with that same power and everlasting life.

How does that benefit us??

Because embodied in his teaching is genetic repair...resurrection...and everlasting life...here in the flesh on planet Earth...but it will be hard work because, those who are ruining the Earth will have one last mighty swing at destroying it and will pretty near succeed.

 

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« Reply #311 on: December 14, 2015, 05:06:47 PM »
My favourite Biblical verse is...Look into the heavens, who created these thing? With the superabundance of his dynamic energy (Mighty Power) each one is named and not one is missing. (Isaiah 40:26)...from this statement I have engineered a wonderful science which states clearly that Almighty God was working with a superabundant material when he created the universe.

How did he create it??

My favourite book is Lord of the Rings, but I don't try to work out how Sauron made the One Ring, because it's not an historical account.

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He broke the profound secret that even today modern science hungers and thirsts after but God was in Heaven.

And then you close the book, and reality happens.

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And how did he claim ownership over it??

Why does it matter? As well asking how Belgarion managed to communicate with the Orb of Aldur.

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He lived a righteous pattern of life that is dictated to an honest person who strives for goodness in a universe  filled with this indestructible energy.

And poor Brian just wanted to be left alone, but ended up crucified in the middle of an impromptu choir.

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And how can we be certain of this??

We can't, because there's no evidence to support the claims.

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How does that benefit us??

Crusades! Inquisition! Centuries of slavery, homophobia, misogyny and state-sanctioned embezzlement!

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« Reply #312 on: December 14, 2015, 05:14:44 PM »
My favourite book is Lord of the Rings, but I don't try to work out how Sauron made the One Ring, because it's not an historical account.

And then you close the book, and reality happens.

Why does it matter? As well asking how Belgarion managed to communicate with the Orb of Aldur.

And poor Brian just wanted to be left alone, but ended up crucified in the middle of an impromptu choir.

We can't, because there's no evidence to support the claims.

Crusades! Inquisition! Centuries of slavery, homophobia, misogyny and state-sanctioned embezzlement!

O.

It is sad that you will miss the opportunity to participate in the future that the Gospels tell us about because you mistook iniquity for righteousness...either that or else you have aligned yourself with the iniquitous and are urgently seeking your own Biblical payout which doesn't sound too pleasant to me.


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« Reply #313 on: December 14, 2015, 07:21:14 PM »
My favourite book is Lord of the Rings, but I don't try to work out how Sauron made the One Ring, because it's not an historical account.

And then you close the book, and reality happens.

Why does it matter? As well asking how Belgarion managed to communicate with the Orb of Aldur.

And poor Brian just wanted to be left alone, but ended up crucified in the middle of an impromptu choir.

We can't, because there's no evidence to support the claims.

Crusades! Inquisition! Centuries of slavery, homophobia, misogyny and state-sanctioned embezzlement!

O.
I like LOTR too 😀

Like many stories of good verses evil we can bounce it off each other to explore issues.

The fact it isn't literally true is irrelevant.

It's a meeting of the minds to explore good and evil.

Ok it doesn't explore a lot of issues, but stories do explore different issues and conflicts and life in general.

Harry Potter can be seen in the same light  ;D

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« Reply #314 on: December 14, 2015, 08:23:30 PM »
I like LOTR too 😀

Like many stories of good verses evil we can bounce it off each other to explore issues.

The fact it isn't literally true is irrelevant.

It's a meeting of the minds to explore good and evil.

Ok it doesn't explore a lot of issues, but stories do explore different issues and conflicts and life in general.

Harry Potter can be seen in the same light  ;D

I don't bother with such books...The Holy Bible gives us life as it really is and tells us how to harness a wonderful, space-age future providing we adjust our thinking to thinking akin to Jesus Christ. I have explained that Jesus' teaching is supported by a vital, life-supporting science but that is too much for you to accept but whether Jew, Christian or Atheist you are all the product of complex and profound spiritual laws and there is no escaping that fact...not even if we fail God's Judgement.


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« Reply #315 on: December 14, 2015, 10:36:40 PM »
..... but whether Jew, Christian or Atheist you are all the product of complex and profound spiritual laws.....

Very true..... welcome back, Nicholas.
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« Reply #316 on: December 14, 2015, 11:49:43 PM »
I don't bother with such books...The Holy Bible gives us life as it really is and tells us how to harness a wonderful, space-age future providing we adjust our thinking to thinking akin to Jesus Christ. I have explained that Jesus' teaching is supported by a vital, life-supporting science but that is too much for you to accept but whether Jew, Christian or Atheist you are all the product of complex and profound spiritual laws and there is no escaping that fact...not even if we fail God's Judgement.

Have you actually read the bible?

I can see you haven't actually read what Jesus says about giving up everything and following him.

It's no good preaching to us if you disregard what it says.

I noticed you ignored that post of mine.

The bible gives us life as it was 2000+ years ago.

That's what it is, an account of past days, some of it when people had two wives and slaves.

King Solomon had some ridiculous number of wives.

Which spiritual laws did he follow?
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« Reply #317 on: December 15, 2015, 08:31:55 AM »
My favourite book is Lord of the Rings, but I don't try to work out how Sauron made the One Ring, because it's not an historical account.

And then you close the book, and reality happens.

Why does it matter? As well asking how Belgarion managed to communicate with the Orb of Aldur.

And poor Brian just wanted to be left alone, but ended up crucified in the middle of an impromptu choir.

We can't, because there's no evidence to support the claims.

Crusades! Inquisition! Centuries of slavery, homophobia, misogyny and state-sanctioned embezzlement!

O.

I could never get into Lord of the Rings, the book or the film.

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« Reply #318 on: December 15, 2015, 08:32:34 AM »
Very true..... welcome back, Nicholas.

There is NO evidence that is so!

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« Reply #319 on: December 15, 2015, 08:34:04 AM »
Have you actually read the bible?

I can see you haven't actually read what Jesus says about giving up everything and following him.

It's no good preaching to us if you disregard what it says.

I noticed you ignored that post of mine.

The bible gives us life as it was 2000+ years ago.

That's what it is, an account of past days, some of it when people had two wives and slaves.

King Solomon had some ridiculous number of wives.

Which spiritual laws did he follow?

NM's interpretation of the Bible is the cloud cuckoo land version! ;D

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« Reply #320 on: December 15, 2015, 09:25:12 AM »
It is sad that you will miss the opportunity to participate in the future that the Gospels tell us about because you mistook iniquity for righteousness...either that or else you have aligned yourself with the iniquitous and are urgently seeking your own Biblical payout which doesn't sound too pleasant to me.

I'm sad that you're so focussed on the next world - an idea for which we have no reasonable justification - that you might be missing out on the wonders of this one. You've obviously heard of the majesty of scientific enquiry, you can feel the excitement it generates, and you try to harness it to other things that brighten your life. Explore science on its own merits, see how it compares to mysticism - even if you don't change your beliefs, you'll perhaps appreciate this life more - I'm not asking you to not consider it God's creation, just appreciate it for the way it works.

Can that be a bad thing?

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« Reply #321 on: December 15, 2015, 09:27:53 AM »
I don't bother with such books...The Holy Bible gives us life as it really is and tells us how to harness a wonderful, space-age future providing we adjust our thinking to thinking akin to Jesus Christ.

Ah, the certainty of the deliberately narrowed mind.

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I have explained that Jesus' teaching is supported by a vital, life-supporting science but that is too much for you to accept but whether Jew, Christian or Atheist you are all the product of complex and profound spiritual laws and there is no escaping that fact...not even if we fail God's Judgement.

No, you haven't 'explained', you've just claimed. Other people have made similar claims in other books, but you've not read them so you've no ability to compare. In isolation, I suppose Spot the Dog could seem profound (Hairy Maclary from Donaldson's Dairy would blow your mind!!!)... In context, though, the Holy Bible is decidedly lacking.

How fragile is your 'truth' if it can't stand up to exposure to other ideas?

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Re: The Highest Jew
« Reply #322 on: December 15, 2015, 03:24:46 PM »
SweetPea, Floo, Rose, Outrider:


SweetPea...Thankyou.

Floo...The evidence is there for all to see. You have fallen out with iniquity and blame every Christian for it but if you read the Holy Bible as I suggest, starting with the Gospels, you will get a much more accurate take on what it is all about and maybe even you will see the simple fact that one pure energy is the powerhouse behind Almighty God which he uses to build atoms, stars, galaxies, life and every science known to man and some not yet even discovered...and some only seen, as yet, via miracles.

Rose...If you have no intention of looking into the teaching of Jesus Christ why should it bother you whether I am minted or indeed stony broke? Jesus said to the people who wanted to follow him to Heaven that these were the burdens of his existence which was required for total and absolute righteousness and anyone who wanted that righteous standing with Almighty God that he enjoyed with his father must sell all that they owned and follow him. Well, I certainly know what being stony broke is like and I know that Jesus Christ showed me why I was stony broke and lifted me out of that situation so I am not completely blind to the pains, fears, and distresses, that the poor experience and the couldn't care less attitudes of the more wealthy, and, of course, the tightening screw of certain governments so that their followers can rub their hands with glee as more and more people fall into the poverty trap. Even so, I'm not planning to go to Heaven where those who follow Jesus accurately are going...I aim to stay here on planet Earth and shepherd in the faithful who have earned everlasting life here, in the flesh,on planet Earth, whilst the not-so-faithful weep and gnash their teeth knowing they have missed their final call.

If you don't want to miss your final call Rose then follow Jesus Christ accurately...and start with the things that are easier than the things which you feel is outside your ability at the moment.

Outrider...It is pointless saying yet again that the science is proven by the calculations, observations and data of all the scientists that have gone before because the calculations of these people support everything I say about science and even they will have to concede that if there is 93% of the universe not seen then there is a strong chance that the 7% is made from it and I have shown over and over that there is a line of logic which agrees with that understanding. It shows how galaxies, stars atoms and life could exist in the way that it does and why science and evolution exist and why the Holy Bible can be seen as a trusted and reliable introduction to the unification of all science and all scientific forces...but why bother when I know that as much interest that you will give it is to bat it back with some form of insult against me...your God and the most precious being that ever walked on this planet...Jesus Christ.

 
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Re: The Highest Jew
« Reply #323 on: December 15, 2015, 03:42:13 PM »
Outrider...It is pointless saying yet again that the science is proven by the calculations, observations and data of all the scientists that have gone before because the calculations of these people support everything I say about science and even they will have to concede that if there is 93% of the universe not seen then there is a strong chance that the 7% is made from it and I have shown over and over that there is a line of logic which agrees with that understanding.

Yes, it's pointless to just say it over and over and over and claim that's science. I agree that there is a perfectly valid logical strand to what you say, and the next step of the scientific process is for you to produce the calculations you keep suggesting that you've made.

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It shows how galaxies, stars atoms and life could exist in the way that it does and why science and evolution exist and why the Holy Bible can be seen as a trusted and reliable introduction to the unification of all science and all scientific forces...

It might show that. It might not. I have no idea, because you refuse to publish them.

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...but why bother when I know that as much interest that you will give it is to bat it back with some form of insult against me...

I think you're being unfair. I've treated everything you've posted with an open mind - when you claim science I point why what you are saying isn't science, and offer you recommendations on how you can make it so. I've not dismissed your comments out of hand, despite the fact that continuously misrepresent your assertions as scientific. And I don't believe I've insulted you either, though it's possible that I've given in to the frustrations of dealing with your obdurate nature.

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your God and the most precious being that ever walked on this planet...Jesus Christ.

Jesus might be the most precious thing that walked the planet as far as you're concerned, but I have a wife and children to think of before I even get close to thinking about the possibilities of a man who to a lesser or greater extent an incredible story might have been based upon.

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Universes are forever, not just for creation...

New Atheism - because, apparently, there's a use-by date on unanswered questions.

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Re: The Highest Jew
« Reply #324 on: December 15, 2015, 03:43:14 PM »
Floo...The evidence is there for all to see. You have fallen out with iniquity and blame every Christian for it but if you read the Holy Bible as I suggest, starting with the Gospels, you will get a much more accurate take on what it is all about and maybe even you will see the simple fact that one pure energy is the powerhouse behind Almighty God which he uses to build atoms, stars, galaxies, life and every science known to manand some not yet even discovered...and some only seen, as yet, via miracles.



I have read the gospels many times, and don't take them as the gospel 'truth'! They were written many years after Jesus was long dead, and cannot be said to be 'accurate' in any shape or form as the events they describe are not credible or possible.

the simple fact that one pure energy is the powerhouse behind Almighty God which he uses to build atoms, stars, galaxies, life and every science known to man


That is NOT a fact, just something you want to believe is true! ::)