Top Judge recommends changing assemblies from being religion based

[BashfulAnthony]

Anything so that you can run away!

Like you have run away from the question about open mindedness.

Be a good man, and put your templates away, and find something useful to do.

[BeRational]

Be a good man, and put your templates away, and find something useful to do.

You are the one running scared.

You dare not answer.

You have been found out.

You are closed minded.

[Shaker]

Be a good man, and put your templates away, and find something useful to do.

Somebody who has posted the same comment essentially word for word six times in 23 days accusing somebody else of having templates ... there's no measurement for that degree of hypocrisy. I propose we start one, using accepted scientific prefixes. I put it that that one was a gigaBash.

[BashfulAnthony]

You are the one running scared.

You dare not answer.

You have been found out.

You are closed

You could start spotting new bus shelters, for example.  Or maybe organise a visit to the Dust Museum: I bet you'd like that!   

[BeRational]

You are the one running scared.

You dare not answer.

You have been found out.

You are closed

You could start spotting new bus shelters, for example.  Or maybe organise a visit to the Dust Museum: I bet you'd like that!   

You could be less of a coward, but I doubt that.

[Bubbles]

I wish I were as well-heeled as you appear to think I am, and we'll disregard your continued (deliberate?) misunderstanding of the difference bewteen atheism and anti-theism. I'm well aware of the thread of homophobia that exists through society, I'm exposed to it unfortunately regularly.

You're confusing ridding establishment of religious privelege for ridding establishment of religious people. Reserved seats for Bishops in the House of Lords, for instance, is religious privilege. Removing them is not 'excluding religious people', that would be banning Christians from the House of Lords.

O.

Impressions are funny things, I had you down as someone extremely knowledgeable probably a scientist or engineer of some sort, but who was also a biker.


 

[Hope]

Could it be to open up the H of L to other faiths be a positive step?

Not sure that this report should do that; common sense ought to.

Or is that a can of worms and we are better of with the c of e that at least traditionally connected to government?

Why should one branch of a given belief system have more influence in the Houses of Parliament than other branches of that, or any other belief system?

Would scrapping the religious aspect of the H of L make our disconnection with those of faith even greater and maybe even influence the extremist aspect into becoming worse than ever?

I think that removing/banning official representation of any belief-system within our governance would make the disconnect and hence extremism - of whatever form - worse.

[Hope]

Which is why religion is such a worry. Excluded gay people created the gay-pride movement with carnivals and parades. Excluded atheists wrote books, and became so militant they talked to people really quite politely, on the whole.

Some excluded poor people in S. America created terrorist groups and blew people up.

Excluded religious people blow themselves up, taking innocents with them.

Excluded poor Christians in S. America came up with Liberation Theology and debated it with the world.

[Hope]

Somebody who has posted the same comment essentially word for word six times in 23 days accusing somebody else of having templates ... there's no measurement for that degree of hypocrisy. I propose we start one, using accepted scientific prefixes. I put it that that one was a gigaBash.

But the fact that your posts follow a very similar pattern to each other, Shakes, gives people the notion that you have some sort of train of mind that won't allow you to escape from that pattern.  Rather than explaining why you believe that an argument is wrong or fallacious or erroneous, using your own words, you tend to come in with short-cut language which is often wrong, in the given context anyway.

[Shaker]

But the fact that your posts follow a very similar pattern to each other, Shakes, gives people the notion that you have some sort of train of mind that won't allow you to escape from that pattern. Rather than explaining why you believe that an argument is wrong or fallacious or erroneous, using your own words, you tend to come in with short-cut language which is often wrong, in the given context anyway.

It very briefy occurred to me to ask where any point I've made is wrong or fallacious or erroneous, but then I remembered that I've asked that of you many, many times before and have always been met with either evasion or silence.

[Outrider]

Impressions are funny things, I had you down as someone extremely knowledgeable probably a scientist or engineer of some sort, but who was also a biker.

I am a scientist and engineer by training, and I work around the fringes of a scientific establishment currently.

The only thing that's stopped me being a biker is fear: I'm not afraid of riding, I'm afraid of what Mrs O. would do if I got a bike...

O.

[Outrider]

Some excluded poor people in S. America created terrorist groups and blew people up.

Excluded poor religious people, or excluded poor atheists?

Excluded poor Christians in S. America came up with Liberation Theology and debated it with the world.

Right. I didn't suggest all of them blew themselves up. Of course, if they weren't buying into the idea of religion, they wouldn't have needed a new theology to justify overthrowing the old one that was keeping them suppressed.

O.

[Bubbles]

I am a scientist and engineer by training, and I work around the fringes of a scientific establishment currently.

The only thing that's stopped me being a biker is fear: I'm not afraid of riding, I'm afraid of what Mrs O. would do if I got a bike...

O.

Hmm! Perhaps I ought to take some  lessons from Mrs O   

My hubby has two, would have been three if I hadn't put my foot down 

 

[Outrider]

But the fact that your posts follow a very similar pattern to each other, Shakes, gives people the notion that you have some sort of train of mind that won't allow you to escape from that pattern.

I'm not entirely sure that isn't the case for anyone looking at a philosophical grounding they don't intrinsically accept - any argument that resorts to 'but God wants...' looks to me like a 'pattern', but that makes sense: each of us works from the presumptions and notions that we accept. If there were no pattern to someone's arguments you'd wonder where they were coming from.

O.

[Outrider]

Hmm! Perhaps I ought to take some  lessons from Mrs O   

My hubby has two, would have been three if I hadn't put my foot down 

 

Well, I don't want to mischaracterise her as some sort of fearsome demon-queen - she'd be worried and upset knowing I was out there on it, and I'm not prepared to do that to her.

O.

[Gordon]

Moderator:

Temporarily locked while posts about SPOTY are split off and move to the SPOTY thread.

O.K that has been done. There is another thread on this same report 'We should do God, says report into religion in public life' - this will now be merged into this thread, since this one was started earlier.

All done, so will unlock now.