Donald Trump

[Rhiannon]

And has that anything to do with islamic radicalisation, or rather really 'tough' areas where there is long-standing hostility towards the police - for example parts of Tottenham, which I don't think has a large muslim population at all.

Exactly, hence my last sentence. There are places where it isn't safe to be any kind of 'establishment' figure. I don't think we can pretend that there aren't pockets of radicalisation involved in this in some places, but there's a much, much bigger picture.

[Rhiannon]

https://newsthump.com/2015/12/09/native-americans-call-for-ban-on-christians-entering-the-us/

[Nearly Sane]

Interesting article

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2015/12/what-we-talk-about-when-we-talk-about-demagogues/419514/?utm_source=atl-daily-newsletter

[ProfessorDavey]

No Jp you are a pratt and if you are prattish enough to drive a cab into the mozart estate at night you really are a big pratt.I drove a cab for 30 years around London so give your arse a rest JP your all wind and fart.

 ~TW~

And is that because the area is 'radicalised' or because (as I pointed out to Rhiannon) it is a particularly rough area with a lot of crime - both organised and ad-hoc.

It is of course obvious why you have picked the example of the Mozart estate, but actually this area (Queen's Park) has a pretty low proportion of muslims - massively lower than the areas of East London I know very well.

So the Mozart estate might be a no-go area because of high levels of crime etc (as there are in most big cities) - but that isn't what we are talking about - rather the discussion was about so called 'radicalised' no go areas - so areas where the population have become radicalised due to extreme religious ideologies and that makes it no-go. I am not aware of any such area in London.

[floo]

Apparently that nasty piece of work Nigel Farage is backing Trump, now there's a surprise!

[Hope]

https://newsthump.com/2015/12/09/native-americans-call-for-ban-on-christians-entering-the-us/

That one's been done already, Rhi. It would be interesting, as I previously said, how they would have proposed to deal with any of their own who had already become believers   

[Rhiannon]

That one's been done already, Rhi. It would be interesting, as I previously said, how they would have proposed to deal with any of their own who had already become believers   

As they haven't started too many world wars, not doing very much would be my guess.

[Shaker]

Apparently that nasty piece of work Nigel Farage is backing Trump, now there's a surprise!

As with any septic tank, you generally find the biggest turds sticking together.

[~TW~]

And is that because the area is 'radicalised' or because (as I pointed out to Rhiannon) it is a particularly rough area with a lot of crime - both organised and ad-hoc.

It is of course obvious why you have picked the example of the Mozart estate, but actually this area (Queen's Park) has a pretty low proportion of muslims - massively lower than the areas of East London I know very well.

So the Mozart estate might be a no-go area because of high levels of crime etc (as there are in most big cities) - but that isn't what we are talking about - rather the discussion was about so called 'radicalised' no go areas - so areas where the population have become radicalised due to extreme religious ideologies and that makes it no-go. I am not aware of any such area in London.

 Why dont you pay attention I retired before muslims were invented it was a no go area in the seventies and eighties and is the same to day nothing to do with muslims but a no go area and there are other no go areas in London not just that one.You dont seem to be aware of much try taking a cab out at night.Mind you the knowledge would probably kill you.

~TW~

[ProfessorDavey]

 Why dont you pay attention I retired before muslims were invented

Blimey TW I didn't realise they had cabs back in the 7thC, and you must be very old if you retired before 'muslims were invested'

it was a no go area in the seventies and eighties and is the same to day nothing to do with muslims

In which case why is this relevant to a discussion of Donald Trump's comments about 'radicalised no-go areas' - the key point being that the reason the areas (in his mind) are no-go is because of the religious radicalisation.

but a no go area and there are other no go areas in London not just that one.You dont seem to be aware of much try taking a cab out at night.Mind you the knowledge would probably kill you.

~TW~

Sure - very big city has areas with high crime rates (often associated with organised crime, drugs and gangs) that you may be well advised to avoid, particularly if, as in the case of a cad driver, you are likely to be known to be carrying money. I'm well aware of that - but why is that relevant to a discussion on 'radicalised no-go areas' - it isn't.

[Outrider]

 Why dont you pay attention I retired before muslims were invented

Islam is to Christianity as Muslims are to Christians - Islam and Christianity are invented, Muslims and Christians are indoctrinated or taught. And they merit an initial capital, too.

You dont seem to be aware of much try taking a cab out at night.Mind you the knowledge would probably kill you.

Having cycled round London, what's most likely to kill you in my experience is cab and bus drivers.

O.

[~TW~]

Blimey TW I didn't realise they had cabs back in the 7thC, and you must be very old if you retired before 'muslims were invested'
In which case why is this relevant to a discussion of Donald Trump's comments about 'radicalised no-go areas' - the key point being that the reason the areas (in his mind) are no-go is because of the religious radicalisation.
Sure - very big city has areas with high crime rates (often associated with organised crime, drugs and gangs) that you may be well advised to avoid, particularly if, as in the case of a cad driver, you are likely to be known to be carrying money. I'm well aware of that - but why is that relevant to a discussion on 'radicalised no-go areas' - it isn't.

          Well it is Mr Trump stated that no go areas in London existed,you and your cohorts said no.Well you are wrong and Mr Trump is right.

 Because  they {no go areas} have always existed.Just to add I am of the opinion that we may well be attacked just before Christmas by our friends  .I hope not also in today's papers Mr Trump says that more muslims join isis in this country ,then join the British Army,but whatever the truth is.This country is in a mess.

  ~TW~

[ProfessorDavey]

Having cycled round London, what's most likely to kill you in my experience is cab and bus drivers.

O.

Agreed - but are they 'radicalised' cab and bus drivers

[Outrider]

Well it is Mr Trump stated that no go areas in London existed,you and your cohorts said no.Well you are wrong and Mr Trump is right.

No, the Trumpeter suggested that there were areas the Police were afraid to go because of radicalised elements there, which is not the case.

Because  they {no go areas} have always existed.Just to add I am of the opinion that we may well be attacked just before Christmas by our friends  .I hope not also in today's papers Mr Trump says that more muslims join isis in this country ,then join the British Army,but whatever the truth is.This country is in a mess.

And, on a similar note, whatever the truth, Santa and his alien cyborg reindeer missile launchers are poised to strike, only the stockings can save us now...

If you're going to qualify something you say with the proviso 'whatever the truth is' you might as well pretend there was a creator deity who loved us, killed himself for us so that he could forgive us for something we hadn't done and would love us for eternity whilst we suffered in hell because we couldn't find an omnipotent being trying to hide from us'...

O.

[~TW~]

No, the Trumpeter suggested that there were areas the Police were afraid to go because of radicalised elements there, which is not the case.

And, on a similar note, whatever the truth, Santa and his alien cyborg reindeer missile launchers are poised to strike, only the stockings can save us now...

If you're going to qualify something you say with the proviso 'whatever the truth is' you might as well pretend there was a creator deity who loved us, killed himself for us so that he could forgive us for something we hadn't done and would love us for eternity whilst we suffered in hell because we couldn't find an omnipotent being trying to hide from us'...

O.

 Another lolly pop devoid of brains enters the fray.Wrong again Mr Trump is correct the mozart estate was a no go area in the seventies along with another estate in Peckham which I have now forgotten another estate was Broadwater Farm,so try again 

 ~TW~

[ProfessorDavey]

Another lolly pop devoid of brains enters the fray.Wrong again Mr Trump is correct the mozart estate was a no go area in the seventies along with another estate in Peckham which I have now forgotten another estate was Broadwater Farm,so try again 

 ~TW~

Nope because Mr Trump was talking about 'radicalised no go areas' - I don't believe that the Mozart or Broadwater Farm estates (or Peckham) were no-go because their populace had become religiously radicalised - so Mr Trump isn't correct, but then he very rarely is.

[Outrider]

Another lolly pop devoid of brains enters the fray.Wrong again Mr Trump is correct the mozart estate was a no go area in the seventies along with another estate in Peckham which I have now forgotten another estate was Broadwater Farm,so try again 

Nobody is saying that isn't the case - we're entirely in agreement that there have been no-go regions in London. It's the CAUSE that Trump suggested that we're arguing with, not the EFFECT.

You do understand the concept of CAUSE and EFFECT, right?

O.

[wigginhall]

Now come on, you guys, you can't expect TW to actually follow an argument.   At least, he is grasping fragments of it, so hosannah in the highest.

[ProfessorDavey]

Another lolly pop devoid of brains enters the fray.Wrong again Mr Trump is correct the mozart estate was a no go area in the seventies along with another estate in Peckham which I have now forgotten another estate was Broadwater Farm,so try again 

 ~TW~

Once again TW - can you tell me of an area of London which is no-go because of religious radicalisation please.

You've been quite clear that none of your examples are no-go for that reason, so please give me an example of a no-go area that is due to radicalisation.

[~TW~]

Mr Trump was correct about no go areas these are areas where the police will only go in Mob handed next you will be telling me Sharia law is not practiced in this country,tell me are you all brain dead.

 ~TW~

[ProfessorDavey]

Mr Trump was correct about no go areas these are areas where the police will only go in Mob handed next you will be telling me Sharia law is not practiced in this country,tell me are you all brain dead.

 ~TW~

Again - tell me an area of London that is no-go because of radicalisation.

[Outrider]

Mr Trump was correct about no go areas these are areas where the police will only go in Mob handed

No he wasn't, as has previously been explained.

next you will be telling me Sharia law is not practiced in this country,tell me are you all brain dead.

Why would someone tell you that - people can voluntarily enter into any form of arbitration they like so long as all parties do so without duress. Sharia law is only one of these, but such agreements do not supersede UK law or legislation.

O.

[~TW~]

Again - tell me an area of London that is no-go because of radicalisation.

 Not Yet,but in secret yes.
   ~TW~

[Outrider]

Not Yet,but in secret yes.

So no, then. So Donald Trump, as was repeatedly pointed out to you, was wrong.

O.

[ProfessorDavey]

Not Yet,but in secret yes.
   ~TW~

What does that mean - is it your secret? - where is this place? Please tell me TW, because it might well be somewhere I know very well and perhaps I shouldn't be going there because apparently it is 'no-go'.