Donald Trump

[~TW~]

What does that mean - is it your secret? - where is this place? Please tell me TW, because it might well be somewhere I know very well and perhaps I shouldn't be going there because apparently it is 'no-go'.

 You need to be careful                   

                                        http://www.onelawforall.org.uk/sharia-controlled-zones-in-britain-are-not-welcome/

                                             http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2957428/Sharia-law-courts-operating-in-Britain.html

                                        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1197478/Sharia-law-UK--How-Islam-dispensing-justice-side-British-courts.html


 You really are fast asleep prof

   ~TW~

[ProfessorDavey]

You need to be careful                   

                                        http://www.onelawforall.org.uk/sharia-controlled-zones-in-britain-are-not-welcome/

                                             http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2957428/Sharia-law-courts-operating-in-Britain.html

                                        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1197478/Sharia-law-UK--How-Islam-dispensing-justice-side-British-courts.html


 You really are fast asleep prof

   ~TW~

Even if there were sharia courts operating outside civil law (I don't think there are, as Outrider points out) why would that make any area 'no-go'? I'm sure in the areas of London that I know very well that there are probably people using voluntary Sharia arbitration. Why does that have any affect on me, and why would it make that area 'no-go'.

[~TW~]

Even if there were sharia courts operating outside civil law (I don't think there are, as Outrider points out) why would that make any area 'no-go'? I'm sure in the areas of London that I know very well that there are probably people using voluntary Sharia arbitration. Why does that have any affect on me, and why would it make that area 'no-go'.

Dont change the subject and dont twist the facts on the first link you can sign a petition and talking of petitions I know you like them 

no one has mentioned the one started a couple of years ago,please dont ask me to point it to you

 Just keep your head in the sand.

 

[ProfessorDavey]

Dont change the subject and dont twist the facts on the first link you can sign a petition and talking of petitions I know you like them 

no one has mentioned the one started a couple of years ago,please dont ask me to point it to you

 Just keep your head in the sand.

I'm not changing the subject, which if you are prepared to keep up, is about radicalised no-go areas.

And I am still waiting for you to tell me where in London I am not allowed to go, because it is a radicalised no-go area.

[Brownie]

Nope because Mr Trump was talking about 'radicalised no go areas' - I don't believe that the Mozart or Broadwater Farm estates (or Peckham) were no-go because their populace had become religiously radicalised - so Mr Trump isn't correct, but then he very rarely is.

I agree with you Prof.  I have lived in London all my life.  To me, a no go area is somewhere you do not feel safe when it is dark because of high crime rates, ie muggings, car crimes and sometimes violence.   They are usually OK during the day but it makes sense to avoid certain areas at night, especially if you are on your own. Indeed, it isn't always safe in 'nice' or rural areas if you are out late and the place is isolated. I haven't been anywhere like that for years but used to.  None of it has, or ever has had, anything to do with religion.  That's ridiculous.  Areas with a high proportion of genuine Muslims are usually fairly quiet and decent.

[Hope]

... I retired before muslims were invented ...

So that puts you at about 1400 years old, ~TW~    What's the secret of your longevity?

... it was a no go area in the seventies and eighties and is the same to day nothing to do with muslims but a no go area and there are other no go areas in London not just that one.You dont seem to be aware of much try taking a cab out at night.Mind you the knowledge would probably kill you.

By the way, as someone else pointed out, Trump's original comment about London's no-go areas was specifically in the context of Muslim terrorist action.

[Udayana]

Maybe the police and Trump know where they are, but we are not allowed to, in case we all rush over there and get radicalized? 

[Hope]

So, to repeat the question, ~TW~, could you please name these areas of London that you believe to be no-go areas for the police on account of the radicalisation of the Muslim populations therein.

Rather than accusing PD and others of avoiding the question, admit that you are doing exactly that and give us the information that you seem to want to keep secret.

[Jack Knave]

I agree with you Prof.  I have lived in London all my life.  To me, a no go area is somewhere you do not feel safe when it is dark because of high crime rates, ie muggings, car crimes and sometimes violence.   They are usually OK during the day but it makes sense to avoid certain areas at night, especially if you are on your own. Indeed, it isn't always safe in 'nice' or rural areas if you are out late and the place is isolated. I haven't been anywhere like that for years but used to.  None of it has, or ever has had, anything to do with religion.  That's ridiculous.  Areas with a high proportion of genuine Muslims are usually fairly quiet and decent.

Trump said there were no go areas for the police. That is a different kettle of fish to the publics' fears say in certain areas at night. Though the veracity of his comments are another nothing thing.

[Jack Knave]

So that puts you at about 1400 years old, ~TW~    What's the secret of your longevity?

That would explain the pertinence and quality of his posts.!!!   

When he says cab he probably means rickshaw. 

[ProfessorDavey]

Trump said there were no go areas for the police. That is a different kettle of fish to the publics' fears say in certain areas at night. Though the veracity of his comments are another nothing thing.

Which he specifically linked to radicalisation.

So where are those areas of London that are no-go for either the public or for the police, or presumably both.

[Jack Knave]

Which he specifically linked to radicalisation.

So where are those areas of London that are no-go for either the public or for the police, or presumably both.

My point was to Brownie that Trump was referring to the police not to the no go area idea associated with the publics' fears. I was not backing Trumps claims. I don't know either way but I doubt if there are any areas implied by his claim which would presuppose that firearms was the primary threat by radicalised Muslims. If it was I'm sure the D. Mail would have splash it all over their front page by now - not that I would have seen it.

[Outrider]

You need to be careful                   

                                        http://www.onelawforall.org.uk/sharia-controlled-zones-in-britain-are-not-welcome/

                                             http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2957428/Sharia-law-courts-operating-in-Britain.html

                                        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1197478/Sharia-law-UK--How-Islam-dispensing-justice-side-British-courts.html


 You really are fast asleep prof

   ~TW~

Whilst you are apparently awake and reading drivel - a poster campaign by a small group of Islamists doesn't mean that Sharia law is suddenly above UK law.

As the Daily Mail article points out, people are permitted to enter into arbitration under Sharia juristiction if they wish - they report 'rumours' of the courts being used for other things, but  no actual evidence of the practice happening.

The Telegraph article lays out what the boundaries of arbitration are, but again doesn't contain anything other than a few assertions that they have been transgressed.

Essentially, then, right-wing rags and organisations with borderline racist fear-mongering...

O.

[jeremyp]

They had a discussion on this issue on BBC Breakfast earlier - I only caught the last couple of minutes - but one speaker seemed to be suggesting that the Americans needed the UK (or some other nation) to refuse Trump entry in order to get Republicans to understand that he isn't a viable candidate.

I think you'll find that, when it comes to the actual voting, you'll find they already realise that.

I realise that most Americans, of whatever political persuausion, are pretty dumb ( ), but this seems to be the one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard from an American.

Well it is a dumb argument, but your assertion that most Americans are dumb is way off base.

[Sriram]

There is a report today that Hillary is actually becoming a little insecure and changing her campaign strategy because of Trump's new 'stop muslims' call.  She is now taking him more seriously apparently.

Maybe he has touched a cord somewhere after all!

[Spud]

Trump said there were no go areas for the police. That is a different kettle of fish to the publics' fears say in certain areas at night. Though the veracity of his comments are another nothing thing.

No go areas for police do exist:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/625545/Donald-Trump-Muslims-speech-British-police-ISIS-radicalisation-London

[~TW~]

No go areas for police do exist:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/625545/Donald-Trump-Muslims-speech-British-police-ISIS-radicalisation-London

 Thanks for that Spud,but these frothy clowns on these boards will not accept they are wrong they prefer sleepwalking.

 ~TW~

[Jack Knave]

There is a report today that Hillary is actually becoming a little insecure and changing her campaign strategy because of Trump's new 'stop muslims' call.  She is now taking him more seriously apparently.

Maybe he has touched a cord somewhere after all!

What he has touched on is the same thing people here in the UK and Europe feel and that is that the present political and economic system is not working for them at all. He is just playing on their discontentment and fears in a similar way a cat plays with a mouse. When he runs out of new things to jab the people with he will fade.

[Maeght]

No go areas for police do exist:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/625545/Donald-Trump-Muslims-speech-British-police-ISIS-radicalisation-London

Not no go areas according to to that but areas where extra vigilance and care is needed - which is not a surprise but is certainly something not to be taken lightly either.

[Spud]

M, if a cop can't drive to work in his uniform it's a no go area, I would have thought?

[Sriram]

Just to be the Devil's Advocate....what's wrong in Trump saying that terrorists should be stopped from entering the country? All countries would want that. 

The fact is that, given the way terrorism has evolved and become naturalized among certain groups of muslims, it is near impossible to identify  who is a terrorist and who is not.  So, all muslims become potential suspects even while admitting that all muslims are not terrorists. That is the irony.

So....can terrorists be prevented from entering the country by filtering muslims  in some other way?

[floo]

Just to be the Devil's Advocate....what's wrong in Trump saying that terrorists should be stopped from entering the country? All countries would want that. 

The fact is that, given the way terrorism has evolved and become naturalized among certain groups of muslims, it is near impossible to identify  who is a terrorist and who is not.  So, all muslims become potential suspects even while admitting that all muslims are not terrorists. That is the irony.

So....can terrorists be prevented from entering the country by filtering muslims  in some other way?

Trump said Muslims should be prevented from entering the US, only a small minority of Muslims are terrorists!

[Jack Knave]

Thanks for that Spud,but these frothy clowns on these boards will not accept they are wrong they prefer sleepwalking.

 ~TW~

A few points. Did Trump actually use the term "no-go-areas" because that has a technical implication.

The article said nothing about no-go-areas in this technical sense. Being precautious is something else and something police have done for decades, long before the Muslim problem cropped up. I see nothing unusual here, as such, but I do sense that it has the potential for getting out of hand as it is not concerned with gangs and their areas (i.e. small, specific groups), as it may have done in the 60's, say, but to do with ethnic groups, whole communities, that are controlling large neighbourhoods.

I would need to hear more from various sources before I would take this more fully on board.

[Shaker]

Just to be the Devil's Advocate....what's wrong in Trump saying that terrorists should be stopped from entering the country? All countries would want that.

Trump didn't say that.

He said Muslims should be barred from entering the country.

Clearer now?

[Sriram]

Trump didn't say that.

He said Muslims should be barred from entering the country.

Clearer now?

Yes...I know that. Just read my post. If we cannot filter out the terrorists from the other muslims...then it means one and the same thing.