Donald Trump

[Bubbles]

See #142.

Did u mean #151?

 

[Shaker]

Did u mean #151?

 

That was a response to #142

[Bubbles]

That was a response to #142

Ah!

You made a good point 🌹

[Hope]

The result of YouGov's poll on Trump's 'ban Muslims' call - http://bit.ly/1lWiY9L

[Hope]

I remember 9/11 and the recent one. Possibly some more I don't recall. I think almost all terrorist attacks have been by muslims (Al-Qaida or ISIS).

The racist attacks and the mad cap attacks of school children etc...they do on their own internally...no muslim migrants required!

I can remember the (white) terrorist attack in Oklahoma City in 1995; then there were the Unabomber attacks between 1978 and 1995 (mind u, they weren't deemed to be terrorist attacks at the time).

I suppose it depends on how one defines 'terrorism'; is it political; religious; both; ...?

Not sure quite how many attacks there have been in schools, universities, military establisments, city centres, etc. over the last 30 years, but not all the 'minor' ones have been as a result of unbalanced minds.

[wigginhall]

In the last 3 years, about a 1000 mass shootings in the US, most (I think) by white men.   I suppose these are accepted as normal, whereas a shooting by a Muslim is abnormal, and white terrorism is not a category considered by many Americans to exist.

355 so far this year. 

[Sriram]

I can remember the (white) terrorist attack in Oklahoma City in 1995; then there were the Unabomber attacks between 1978 and 1995 (mind u, they weren't deemed to be terrorist attacks at the time).

I suppose it depends on how one defines 'terrorism'; is it political; religious; both; ...?

Not sure quite how many attacks there have been in schools, universities, military establisments, city centres, etc. over the last 30 years, but not all the 'minor' ones have been as a result of unbalanced minds.

OK...what you say may be true. So...what's your point?

Allow many more ISIS fanatics into the country because... 'what difference does it make...there have been so many killings by local whites and blacks and mad caps anyway'??!! 

[Udayana]

You have to declare if you have terroist intentions before entering the country, so that is already sorted! 

[wigginhall]

Flattering pic of Trump.

http://tinyurl.com/putze4d

[wigginhall]

The result of YouGov's poll on Trump's 'ban Muslims' call - http://bit.ly/1lWiY9L

I think about 60% against in the US, but then it's probably unconstitutional.   But Trump's overall programme is based on white racism, which will get some votes, of course, but nationally, is a loser, I would think.  For one thing, most non-whites are going to run scared of Trump, e.g. Latinos, black people, and so on.   I bet Hillary is hugging herself every night at the moment.

[Hope]

OK...what you say may be true. So...what's your point?

My point is that terrorists aren't only Muslims, and there are possibly more home-grown terrorists than incoming terrorists.

[jeremyp]

No go areas for police do exist:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/625545/Donald-Trump-Muslims-speech-British-police-ISIS-radicalisation-London

No they don't. Read the article.

One police officer has claimed he is not allowed to wear his uniform to or from work.

[jeremyp]

M, if a cop can't drive to work in his uniform it's a no go area, I would have thought?

No.

[Hope]

Well, at least the French equivalent of D Trump hasn't done well in the 2nd round of voting!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35088276

[Sriram]

My point is that terrorists aren't only Muslims, and there are possibly more home-grown terrorists than incoming terrorists.

Even the local thug entering your home can cause terror. That is not how we use the word 'terrorism' nowadays!

Yes...there are many domestic problems in every country. Racism, police atrocities, mad cap killings and so on. Even possibly home grown religious fanatics. These obviously need to be tackled at their level.

But how do these problems justify allowing more and more ISIS fanatics into the country, knowing their  agenda and ideology?

The issue is ...how do we identify such fanatics and isolate them from normal muslims?

Until we have some clear way of doing that....all muslims migrating into any country would have to be viewed with suspicion.   Unfortunately, unlike earlier times...gender, age, education, race, nationality or any other category cannot be ruled out automatically as beyond suspicion!  That is the problem.

[Rhiannon]

Sriram, three of the 7/7 bombers were UK-born and the fourth was born in Jamaica. Prior to that we had the Soho bombings which were carried out by a white supremacist.

Stopping Muslim migration will not stop terrorism because it's mostly home-grown; instead it's likely to fuel the discontent that leads to it.

[Bubbles]

The vast majority of Muslims wanting to come here want to escape terrorism.

They want to know their children are safe when they go out to play, and that they have a future.

I'm not overly keen on huge numbers of Muslims coming in, but most of them just want a decent life.

It's what we all want.

The shame is, it can't be got in their home country.

One day, maybe it will.

That's my hope anyway.

[Udayana]

Trump was talking about entry generally, not only immigration. The idea is essentially unworkable, but I suspect has had the political effect he was after.

[Hope]

But how do these problems justify allowing more and more ISIS fanatics into the country, knowing their  agenda and ideology?

Clearly you have more information than most of the police seem to have, Sri.  In the last year, how many ISIS fanatics were allowed into the USA?  How many were allowed in the UK?  How many were allowed into the EU?

The issue is ...how do we identify such fanatics ... ?

Your previous paragraph implied that we already had the answer to this question - why else would you refer to 'allowing more and more ISIS fanatics'?

Until we have some clear way of doing that....all muslims migrating into any country would have to be viewed with suspicion.   Unfortunately, unlike earlier times...gender, age, education, race, nationality or any other category cannot be ruled out automatically as beyond suspicion!  That is the problem.

How would you stop an American citizen who has converted to Islam entering the US?

[Jack Knave]

Your fortune-telling skills are better than mine, Jack.

If they were I'd be rich...

[Nearly Sane]

The Trump's a balloon


http://www.buzzfeed.com/jamieross/the-ballooning-of-donald-trump?utm_term=.ps0xgEaBA#.ivjJr4oLM

[Jack Knave]

Trump's ideas amount to a white racist programme, with hints of fascism as well.   If the US were to make these its official policy, the effects would likely be disastrous, not just for the US, but around the world.  Hopefully, enough US citizens will realize this.

Kennedy got shot for his political position, though it wasn't an official whacking.

[Jack Knave]

See #142.

That one was mine.  Nice to see you are taking notes of the person who counts here!!! 

What about fenced off ghettos?   

[Jack Knave]

Did u mean #151?

 

NO  HE  DID  NOT !!!

[Jack Knave]

Even the local thug entering your home can cause terror. That is not how we use the word 'terrorism' nowadays!

Yes...there are many domestic problems in every country. Racism, police atrocities, mad cap killings and so on. Even possibly home grown religious fanatics. These obviously need to be tackled at their level.

But how do these problems justify allowing more and more ISIS fanatics into the country, knowing their  agenda and ideology?

The issue is ...how do we identify such fanatics and isolate them from normal muslims?

Until we have some clear way of doing that....all muslims migrating into any country would have to be viewed with suspicion.   Unfortunately, unlike earlier times...gender, age, education, race, nationality or any other category cannot be ruled out automatically as beyond suspicion!  That is the problem.

So that includes all those being suspect of being haters of the West?!?