Donald Trump

[Brownie]

And there speaks a Leftie. Now they haven't done any harm have they? Oh, what about Mao, Stalin, Khmer Rouge........nice lot them Lefties!!!

Not sure I understand.  What do you mean, "them lefties"?  Are you saying I am a 'leftie'?  I certainly wasn't defending anyone like the people or group you mention above, who were totalitarian rather than socialist, merely pointing out that the USA are not alone in having fascist organisations, nor some immigrants with criminal intent;  we have them too.

[Brownie]

"strongly Christian"
That's a hoot, in reality he is but a Christian for Christian votes. There are millions upon millions of people that claim to be Christians. Like the women on Mob Wives!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGa5sD2S9Pg

It seems to be quite a thing in the USA for would-be politicians to nail their colours to the Christian flag.  I honestly don't know whether or not Donald Trump is a Christian, he is probably nominally so and would consider himself to be Christian as opposed to adhering to any non-Christian religion but why would he think it important to say so?  Religious beliefs are a personal matter, over here the general public is suspicious when politicians start airing them publicly.

[Rhiannon]

And I'm not sure that's s good thing; for all I'm in favour of secularism I don't want to see a political landscape where having a faith is treated like a dirty little secret; belief is not a matter of choice. And if I am going to give somebody my vote it is actually an important thing to know. if as aconsequence they are likely to oppose abortion rights or assisted dying, for example.

In the US not being a Christian is viewed as suspicious. I have no doubt at all as to Trump's sincere adherence to that particular brand of right-wing prosperity theology-supporting Christianity that exists across the pond.

[floo]

Christianity in the USofA seems to be equated with extreme right-wing hatefulness. It seems you are not considered patriotic if you aren't a flipping Christian. All the more reason for not being one as patriotism is the last bastion of a scoundrel.

[Shaker]

And I'm not sure that's s good thing; for all I'm in favour of secularism I don't want to see a political landscape where having a faith is treated like a dirty little secret

In the USA it's exactly the opposite, though - you've zero chance of getting anywhere politically if you're an openly declared atheist, since atheists are the most distrusted group in American society. Even more so than Muslims - it seems that any religious belief of any kind will do, just as long as you're not an atheist. There have been a couple (no more) of political figures who have come out about being non-believers but only recently and well into (or even at the end of) a career in public life - Pete Stark, for example - when there's nothing left to lose.

That situation will not persist - the religious profile of the nation is already undergoing a sea change - but it'll be a while yet before you see a professed atheist in high office, and longer still before you see one in the highest office of all.

[Rhiannon]

Yes, that was the point I was trying to make in my last paragraph. Patriotism and Christianity are still the most valued things in the States and are regarded by many as indivisible.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Christianity in the USofA seems to be equated with extreme right-wing hatefulness. It seems you are not considered patriotic if you aren't a flipping Christian. All the more reason for not being one as patriotism is the last bastion of a scoundrel.

That is an oversimplification. Catholicism is seen as an important part of Hispanic heritage, regardless of whether one goes to Mass or not.

[Leonard James]

That is an oversimplification. Catholicism is seen as an important part of Hispanic heritage, regardless of whether one goes to Mass or not.

All religions are past there sell-by dates, and should be discarded.

[L.A.]

All religions are past there sell-by dates, and should be discarded.

But religion is often an integral part of culture. When the religion is lost, the culture undergoes radical transformation - not always for the better.

[Leonard James]

But religion is often an integral part of culture. When the religion is lost, the culture undergoes radical transformation - not always for the better.

We have evolved the intelligence to replace religion with a moral code.

[floo]

But religion is often an integral part of culture. When the religion is lost, the culture undergoes radical transformation - not always for the better.

Religion doesn't always mean people are good, decent and have morals. A lot of the 'born again' mob I wouldn't trust any farther than I could throw them!

[Sriram]

All religions are past there sell-by dates, and should be discarded.

Some people have thought so for centuries. Religions still exist. You have no idea how popular religions are in some countries especially among the young.

[Shaker]

Some people have thought so for centuries. Religions still exist.

Religions purport to provide what a lot of people want and tell a lot of people what they want to hear. That ensures their survival.

You have no idea how popular religions are in some countries especially among the young.

... meanwhile in the rest of the world it's the young who are the least religious.

[floo]

One thing Trump and Boris Johnson have in common is horrible hair!

[Bubbles]

One thing Trump and Boris Johnson have in common is horrible hair!

Boris Johnsons hair is ok, if a bit wayward.

I think Donald Trumps problem is that he has a badly fitting toupee.

Or perhaps not....... Seems to be some speculation on it

http://uk.businessinsider.com/is-donald-trump-bald-2015-12

[Bubbles]

You can blow it with a trumpet 

http://trumpdonald.org

(Tap the screen from a variety of angles)

Weird!

 

[L.A.]

We have evolve the intelligence to replace religion with a moral code.

If only Leonard . . . if only that were the case!

G.K.Chesterton wrote:

"When a man stops believing in God he doesn't believe in nothing, he believes in anything"

And I suspect that he may have had a point. If someone loses their faith, you can't just assume that they will 'default' to altuistic humanism.

[Shaker]

If only Leonard . . . if only that were the case!

G.K.Chesterton wrote:

"When a man stops believing in God he doesn't believe in nothing, he believes in anything"

And I suspect that he may have had a point. If someone loses their faith, you can't just assume that they will 'default' to altuistic humanism.

I've always thought that believing in gods is already tantamount to believing in anything as it is.

[floo]

If you believe that nasty nutter Donald Trump would make a good president, you would believe in anything!

[OH MY WORLD!]

No that's not true at all, in the rest of the world it's the young that are growing the Christian church. Like in China, India , Africa and S America. The developing world is developing to Christianity not away from it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10776023/China-on-course-to-become-worlds-most-Christian-nation-within-15-years.html

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,156277,00.html

Decades ago we knew that Europe and N America was becoming dark. We send missionaries to Europe, there was a time when you sent them to us.

[Shaker]

Decades ago we knew that Europe and N America was becoming dark.

Eh?

What does that even mean?

[OH MY WORLD!]

I have changed my position on what might be the results. Thanks to the left being what they are and silencing free speech the other night, we will either have Trump as President or in a casket. I had a bad feeling watching those repressive lefties shutting down free speech. Now we saw yesterday a lefty trying to rush at Donald. I may not like Mr. Trump but I would rather have him as president over a shifty snake like Clinton. And Nobody here wants Donald in a casket, am I right? I hope so.

[OH MY WORLD!]

The light of the world is Jesus. And you know that Mr. Marxist.

[Bubbles]

Eh?

What does that even mean?

It means we are all turning away from the light ( which is presumably Christianity )

At least that's what I took it as.

 

[Shaker]

The light of the world is Jesus. And you know that Mr. Marxist.

Nope. My light is provided by the local electricity company.

Not cheap, but it does actually exist and that's always a bonus.