Donald Trump

[Bubbles]

Lefties just seems to mean people who stand up for other people's rights or at least point out a billionaire probably doesn't know what life is like for most people who have to budget.


I guess some put it more forcefully than others.

I've been watching some of his interviews, he's very narcissistic.

Constantly saying how clever he is and how lucky everyone is for having him around etc etc.

Over there he seems to be in a programme, where he takes on the role of Lord Sugar.

Can't remember what ours is called.

You're fired!

Or something like that.

[Shaker]

I have changed my position on what might be the results. Thanks to the left being what they are and silencing free speech the other night, we will either have Trump as President or in a casket.

Can I phone a friend please Chris?

I had a bad feeling watching those repressive lefties shutting down free speech. Now we saw yesterday a lefty trying to rush at Donald.

This refers to what and/or to whom?

I may not like Mr. Trump

You do surprise me.

Nobody here wants Donald in a casket, am I right? I hope so.

It's the only guaranteed way I can think of that he'll never say anything stupid, ignorant, offensive and boorish again. Otherwise ...

http://goo.gl/oL2p9f

[Leonard James]

If only Leonard . . . if only that were the case!

G.K.Chesterton wrote:

"When a man stops believing in God he doesn't believe in nothing, he believes in anything"

And I suspect that he may have had a point. If someone loses their faith, you can't just assume that they will 'default' to altuistic humanism.

No, you can't ... but there are sufficient of us in the majority to ensure that a moral code encompasses the Golden Rule.

[floo]

Nope. My light is provided by the local electricity company.

Not cheap, but it does actually exist and that's always a bonus.

We have British Gas as our light of the world!

[OH MY WORLD!]

 Floo,
You should ask your daughters if they think the light of the world is Jesus. Not when they are in your home of course, but you ask them.

[OH MY WORLD!]

"Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world; he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life."   John 8:12

Walk in the Light!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNaKjULjoOM

[Leonard James]

"Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world; he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life."   John 8:12

Walk in the Light!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNaKjULjoOM

He sure had an inflated ego!

[OH MY WORLD!]

No, lefties are Bernie and Black lives Matter thugs who go around shutting down the right to free speech. This is exactly what those repressive socialists did the other night at the Trump rally. Their intent was to shut it down and they did it. You ask them. I regard them as fascists resorting to mob violence and threats of mob violence. The left that goes around spouting freedom and rights always seems to be the biggest violators once in power.

So Shaker is surprised that I don't like trump.  What a joke, of course I don't and here is why,

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-says-he-would-be-a-much-different-person-as-president/

Don't tell me you will be a much different person when president.  I always vote for what a person presents now. However he is not the criminal that goes by his own rules like Clinton does.

[Hope]

No, lefties are Bernie and Black lives Matter thugs who go around shutting down the right to free speech. This is exactly what those repressive socialists did the other night at the Trump rally. Their intent was to shut it down and they did it. You ask them. I regard them as fascists resorting to mob violence and threats of mob violence. The left that goes around spouting freedom and rights always seems to be the biggest violators once in power.

So Shaker is surprised that I don't like trump.  What a joke, of course I don't and here is why,

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-says-he-would-be-a-much-different-person-as-president/

Don't tell me you will be a much different person when president.  I always vote for what a person presents now. However he is not the criminal that goes by his own rules like Clinton does.

OMW, what I saw at those Trump rallies was violence from Trump supporters against peaceful demonstrators against him and all he stands for (by the way, does anyone know what policies he actually stands for?)

[Brownie]

I want to comment on several posts but will try and sum up my comments in one.

Religious beliefs should not be a secret;  if people go to church, others will know about it anyway and why not?  However there is no need to bang on about it which is what seems to happen in the USA.  We've had ultra-religious would-be politicians here and there is grave suspicion, but some politicians have faith and admit it, but are low key about it.  They represent everyone and that is how it should be.

I still don't know what ''them lefties'' means but I wouldn't support any 'lefties' who tried to stifle free speech though I do think there is such a thing as 'hate speech' which should, imo, be stopped in its tracks.  Most politicians try to stay just on the acceptable side of the limit, I am not sure this is true of Trump.  He could of course be misrepresented in the press.  However I've never forgotten him saying publicly that Barack Obama was not an American which is utter garbage. He also said there should be a ban on Muslims flying in and out of the USA which is quite ridiculous!   He made an idiot of himself saying both of those things.

The programme that Trump used to host is 'The Apprentice USA'.  I enjoy it and recently I've been watching 'Celebrity Apprentice USA' which is great.  Mr Trump is not a politician in that and he's quite engaging but it was a while ago, they are old programmes.  He stopped doing it and Arnie took over, maybe three years ago.  I'll be interested to see how Arnie performs.

Finally, I don't think it is fair to ask floo to question her family about faith issues and she has said several times that she doesn't discuss religion with them.  Our families do not enter into any of the discussions on here.  They may be mentioned when relevant but only as an aside.  It's what we think that matters on this forum, not our kids.

[L.A.]

People used to say that Reagan was the perfect politician - he was a professional actor who just played the part that people wanted.

In some ways Trump is similar. He is an outrageous egotist - but again, he plays the part that people want.

You can't take anything he says at face value.  The only message you believe is that he wants to be president.

[Jack Knave]

Not sure I understand.  What do you mean, "them lefties"?  Are you saying I am a 'leftie'?  I certainly wasn't defending anyone like the people or group you mention above, who were totalitarian rather than socialist, merely pointing out that the USA are not alone in having fascist organisations, nor some immigrants with criminal intent;  we have them too.

My point was to highlight the way you lumped all those you see as being in the  same Right camp when they are not. This is what Lefties do so I did the same those groups who are seen as being on the Left.

[Jack Knave]

OMW, what I saw at those Trump rallies was violence from Trump supporters against peaceful demonstrators against him and all he stands for (by the way, does anyone know what policies he actually stands for?)

He didn't try to calm his supporters down but actually fuelled their emotions. I reckon someone is going to get killed as Trump gets closer and closer to the White House as these two polar opposite groups come head to head. That could be his down fall, for not trying to calm things down, but putting petrol on the fire.

[Brownie]

My point was to highlight the way you lumped all those you see as being in the  same Right camp when they are not. This is what Lefties do so I did the same those groups who are seen as being on the Left.

Thanks Jack but I still don't understand the "them" in ''them lefties''; maybe you meant to say 'those'.  I mentioned the National Front, BNP, EDL and I believe they are far right fascist groups - they probably do differ in some respects but they have an awful lot in common;  most of us (GBP) are moderate, middle of the road, a little left of centre or a little right on some issues but not in the same category as extremists.  I wouldn't put Donald Trump in an extremist category despite him making some very extreme statements. 

[floo]

I want to comment on several posts but will try and sum up my comments in one.

Religious beliefs should not be a secret;  if people go to church, others will know about it anyway and why not?  However there is no need to bang on about it which is what seems to happen in the USA.  We've had ultra-religious would-be politicians here and there is grave suspicion, but some politicians have faith and admit it, but are low key about it.  They represent everyone and that is how it should be.

I still don't know what ''them lefties'' means but I wouldn't support any 'lefties' who tried to stifle free speech though I do think there is such a thing as 'hate speech' which should, imo, be stopped in its tracks.  Most politicians try to stay just on the acceptable side of the limit, I am not sure this is true of Trump.  He could of course be misrepresented in the press.  However I've never forgotten him saying publicly that Barack Obama was not an American which is utter garbage. He also said there should be a ban on Muslims flying in and out of the USA which is quite ridiculous!   He made an idiot of himself saying both of those things.

The programme that Trump used to host is 'The Apprentice USA'.  I enjoy it and recently I've been watching 'Celebrity Apprentice USA' which is great.  Mr Trump is not a politician in that and he's quite engaging but it was a while ago, they are old programmes.  He stopped doing it and Arnie took over, maybe three years ago.  I'll be interested to see how Arnie performs.

Finally, I don't think it is fair to ask floo to question her family about faith issues and she has said several times that she doesn't discuss religion with them.  Our families do not enter into any of the discussions on here.  They may be mentioned when relevant but only as an aside.  It's what we think that matters on this forum, not our kids.

Thanks Brownie. I will NEVER discuss my children's views on matters of faith, apart from stating they are moderate in their beliefs and not Biblical literalists. My thoughts on religion are all my own based on my reading of the Bible.

[Brownie]

You're quite right too and it wasn't fair for you to be asked to ask them.  I don't suppose he really meant it though, it was probably said off the top of his head.

[floo]

You're quite right too and it wasn't fair for you to be asked to ask them.  I don't suppose he really meant it though, it was probably said off the top of his head.

That particular poster makes a point of trying to wind me up by mentioning my children, particularly my eldest!

[Leonard James]

Ah well, you can weather that one floo!

I make a point of not talking about mine because.....well, if I said why, I would be talking about him  .  However I will now say, once and for all, that he is an atheist or, more precisely, a not quite 100% atheist like Dawkins.  It bothers me not at all.

Here are a couple of short extracts from what he has written:

"I have no want to belittle anyone’s beliefs, free will etc, but to me God is as unlikely and ridiculous as the tooth fairy. It's a myth made up by persecuted people who had no answers thousands of years ago and needed to control people en masse. I think it represents dark age thinking and I feel humans should be moving towards enlightenment via reason, not via ancient myths and superstitions."

"I am constantly in awe of the wonder in the universe and how such complexity can arise from reasonably simple iterative maths. It's amazing, and the fact we are here to discuss it proves it works! To reduce it to something by a supernatural entity belittles the wonder of it and undermines the amazing work that people have done to figure out the facts. My understanding has come from my education both formally and privately obtained. Somehow in society not having a faith can be considered something of a problem and on occasions I have been made to feel second rate because of it."

And that is all I will say - except, back to topic, he has strong opinions about Donald Trump, none of them affirmative, and favours Jerry Sanders.
(I may delete this post after you've read it)

Congratulations to him on such clear, unbiased thinking ... no little thing nowadays, I'm sorry to say.

[Brownie]

Len I've edited my post, which you quoted, because I put ''Jerry Sanders'' when it should have been ''Bernie Sanders''.  Thanks for your comment.

[OH MY WORLD!]

Stop it Floo, you bring up your daughters being Christians all the time. And yes I meant it. You mocked me for, the light of the world, and I wonder if you would mock your family that believes Jesus is the light of the world. If you don't want anything mentioned then you should learn to stifle. But let's be clear, I have only ever said positive things about your Christian children, you on the other hand rant every day against God, the Bible and Christianity, which are  all very important to me and your children. It is you Floo, that has put stuff out for the public, in newspapers, the internet and radio and don't be baby when challenged.

So I don't think I was out of line. I betcha your Christian children will agree with me on who the light of the world is. You shouldn't have made fun of that really, but you are a completely different character as Floo. You have many faces.

[Leonard James]

Len I've edited my post, which you quoted, because I put ''Jerry Sanders'' when it should have been ''Bernie Sanders''.  Thanks for your comment.

In fact I knew nothing about either!. My post was directed at the first two paragraphs, being his own personal deductions. A very lucid thinker! 

[Jack Knave]

Thanks Jack but I still don't understand the "them" in ''them lefties''; maybe you meant to say 'those'.  I mentioned the National Front, BNP, EDL and I believe they are far right fascist groups - they probably do differ in some respects but they have an awful lot in common;  most of us (GBP) are moderate, middle of the road, a little left of centre or a little right on some issues but not in the same category as extremists.  I wouldn't put Donald Trump in an extremist category despite him making some very extreme statements.

Trump's just playing the field for his own agenda, an agenda I kind of agree with - from what I've heard from the 'shadows' - but I don't like the person trying to implement it.

[Owlswing]

You're quite right too and it wasn't fair for you to be asked to ask them.  I don't suppose he really meant it though, it was probably said off the top of his head.

Oh yes he did!

The man is a troll and a WUM in the very worst sense of both these words. He wants a reaction about which he can complain to the Mods and Floo and I are two of his favourite targets.

He is probably the Recondite Revenant reincarnated - no, scratch that - he is nowhere near as clever as the RR.

[Brownie]

I had to google RR, Owlswing!  My knowledge increases daily due to posting on this forum  .

[Owlswing]

I had to google RR, Owlswing!  My knowledge increases daily due to posting on this forum  .

In that case you know at least part of my history with him!

Trouble is - I know him in the "real" and ever there he is an unpleasant individual!