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Re: Donald Trump
« Reply #375 on: April 08, 2016, 05:29:49 PM »
I never said that no systems were unaffected, but that the levels of problems were massively overhyped. Don't forget that thousands of computer systems were not checked and 'fixed' and remained non Y2K compliant and guess what, they didn't stop working on Jan 1st as had been claimed, they sailed happily through the millennium working exactly as they had on 31st Dec 1999.
The vast majority of desktop PCs were unaffected, but they are not the systems that mattered.

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And of course the question to ask (and is being asked) is whether it was sensible to spend a fortune 'fixing' computers that weren't broken (i.e. they'd have carried on working absolutely fine on 1st Jan 2000 regardless) or to take retrospective action in the few places where problems occurred.

Do you know why there were few problems? It's because people checked the systems out and find the bugs.

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Of course there would be certain 'critical' systems that you'd really have to take prospective action, but probably not that many.

There were plenty, believe me.

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I gather that some countries (e.g. Italy and South Korea) really didn't put any effort into fixing the issues in advance, yet I don't remember their infrastructures crashing down in Jan 2000. Actually I think it is the case that their levels of issues were no greater than places that had spent millions of fixes.

I bet all the big banks in those countries audited their systems.
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Re: Donald Trump
« Reply #376 on: April 08, 2016, 05:37:37 PM »
I don't remember any news items about South Koreans not being paid, being unable to book flights or get passports. Or maybe we didn't hear because all their media outlets went kaput too ;)
Do you really think the people that supplied them with their software didn't do due diligence? The passport system I mentioned earlier was actually fixed in 1997 because we were already well aware of the possible problems of Y2K back then and we regarded that as pretty late (the system was scheduled to be decommissioned in 1998 but its life was extended due to is successor being a no show). Almost all third party software would have been patched well before 2000. If the Koreans and Italians appeared to do nothing I bet their IT people were still doing normal patching and upgrades and would have applied the Y2K patches without really being aware that they were.

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Re: Donald Trump
« Reply #377 on: April 08, 2016, 05:50:09 PM »
Do you really think the people that supplied them with their software didn't do due diligence? The passport system I mentioned earlier was actually fixed in 1997 because we were already well aware of the possible problems of Y2K back then and we regarded that as pretty late (the system was scheduled to be decommissioned in 1998 but its life was extended due to is successor being a no show). Almost all third party software would have been patched well before 2000. If the Koreans and Italians appeared to do nothing I bet their IT people were still doing normal patching and upgrades and would have applied the Y2K patches without really being aware that they were.
But there are thousands of computers (mostly homes ones) that didn't have software updates etc in the time running up to 2000, and they just carried on working.

The issues were massively overhyped, and I'm not necessarily saying it was wrong to do so, because had the worse case scenario actually happened then there really would have been trouble. But it didn't, even in computers which had had no remedial action taken.

It is a bit like boarding over your windows with a hurricane on the way which might, or might not pass over you. In the end the hurricane didn't arrive and therefore those who didn't board over their windows (i.e. not taking any action) ended up with systems running fine, jus the same as those that did board over their windows (i.e. those that took action).

Again there were of course isolated situation where systems might have failed without action but the prevailing view that unless we took action all our computers (well PCs) would stop working on 1st Jan 2000 was flat out wrong.

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Re: Donald Trump
« Reply #378 on: April 08, 2016, 06:01:00 PM »
The vast majority of desktop PCs were unaffected, but they are not the systems that mattered.
But that's not what the hype suggested - the line was that all our PCs (unless fixed) would be affected.

Do you know why there were few problems? It's because people checked the systems out and find the bugs.

There were plenty, believe me.

I bet all the big banks in those countries audited their systems.
As an example apparently only 28% of schools in the USA achieved compliance (i.e. systems not fixed or software updates/patches achieved) in their critical systems by end of 1999, and there were predictions of massive problems including payroll. Guess what happened - nothing. Everything continued to work just fine.

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Re: Donald Trump
« Reply #379 on: April 08, 2016, 06:28:46 PM »
Just a note to Prof D, you know when you might get annoyed with people believing media reporting of science as being too hyped? That's how I feel about how Y2K was reported.

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« Reply #380 on: April 09, 2016, 09:21:38 PM »
But that's not what the hype suggested - the line was that all our PCs (unless fixed) would be affected.
As an example apparently only 28% of schools in the USA achieved compliance (i.e. systems not fixed or software updates/patches achieved) in their critical systems by end of 1999, and there were predictions of massive problems including payroll. Guess what happened - nothing. Everything continued to work just fine.
The problems seem to have been left to modern smartphones.  If you're not careful, they simply default their time to 1st January 1970!!!
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« Reply #381 on: April 09, 2016, 11:08:55 PM »
I work in applications and was involved in making our systems y2k  compliant.

It took ages but we did see and correct several problems.

Our systems would not have collapsed, but some areas were affected and would have caused problems.
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Re: Donald Trump
« Reply #382 on: April 11, 2016, 05:57:39 PM »
Getting back to Trump, I see he is beginning to slip and losing any chance of getting past the winning requirement of 1237 delegates, and it looks like it's going to be a brokered convention.

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« Reply #383 on: April 30, 2016, 12:08:12 AM »
Jack,

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Getting back to Trump, I see he is beginning to slip and losing any chance of getting past the winning requirement of 1237 delegates, and it looks like it's going to be a brokered convention.

Trump is headed to become the GOP nominee. But to win the presidency, he needs a minimum number of black, Hispanic and women voters, along with Millennials. Odds makers have Hillary Clinton winning these constituencies. No wonder Trump suggested Bernie Sanders run as a third-party candidate. It was said with the hope of draining votes from Clinton, allowing him to surge through the middle and win.

There is a fervor for Trump's message of making America great again, but reality suggests he may be the wrong messenger....  ;D

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« Reply #384 on: April 30, 2016, 10:01:31 AM »
Jack,

Trump is headed to become the GOP nominee. But to win the presidency, he needs a minimum number of black, Hispanic and women voters, along with Millennials. Odds makers have Hillary Clinton winning these constituencies. No wonder Trump suggested Bernie Sanders run as a third-party candidate. It was said with the hope of draining votes from Clinton, allowing him to surge through the middle and win.

There is a fervor for Trump's message of making America great again, but reality suggests he may be the wrong messenger....  ;D
I agree, barring miracles, Trump looks certain to get the Republican nomination, but the polls say he would lose to Clinton.
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Re: Donald Trump
« Reply #385 on: April 30, 2016, 10:05:14 AM »
Over the course of the primaries, the one thing that is clearly in Trump's favour, imo, is he isn't Cruz.

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« Reply #386 on: May 01, 2016, 11:18:11 AM »
Over the course of the primaries, the one thing that is clearly in Trump's favour, imo, is he isn't Cruz.

I don't know much about Cruz, but could he be any worse than Trump who appears to have a few screws loose?

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Re: Donald Trump
« Reply #387 on: May 01, 2016, 01:17:48 PM »
I don't know much about Cruz, but could he be any worse than Trump who appears to have a few screws loose?
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Re: Donald Trump
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Re: Donald Trump
« Reply #389 on: May 04, 2016, 11:01:58 AM »


Yes....its Trump for the GOP. But Hillary in the finals I think.

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« Reply #390 on: May 04, 2016, 11:10:12 AM »

Yes....its Trump for the GOP. But Hillary in the finals I think.


Let's hope Hillary gives it all she's got and wins the Presidency, because Trump is a danger to the whole planet, imo.

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« Reply #391 on: May 04, 2016, 11:13:59 AM »

Let's hope Hillary gives it all she's got and wins the Presidency, because Trump is a danger to the whole planet, imo.

He may not be as bad as we think. They all talk lots of things (+ and-) but when they come to office, the system keeps them in check.

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Re: Donald Trump
« Reply #392 on: May 04, 2016, 01:03:31 PM »
That is certainly true but Trump doesn't seriously believe half of what he says and is as surprised as anyone that he has gone so far.  Imagine if he was elected as President, all the people he has befriended and promised to do things for will be on his back.  Must be a frightening prospect for him, I think he will somehow fade away from now on.
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Re: Donald Trump
« Reply #393 on: May 04, 2016, 01:08:25 PM »
He may not be as bad as we think. They all talk lots of things (+ and-) but when they come to office, the system keeps them in check.

Good point Sriram.

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« Reply #394 on: May 04, 2016, 01:16:50 PM »
I'm going to come up with a conspiracy theory before anything's actually happened and say I reckon the CIA will take Trump out if he wins.

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« Reply #395 on: May 04, 2016, 02:40:15 PM »
I'm going to come up with a conspiracy theory before anything's actually happened and say I reckon the CIA will take Trump out if he wins.

You could be right.

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Re: Donald Trump
« Reply #396 on: May 04, 2016, 02:42:52 PM »
Given the choice of Mr Fart, or horrible Hillums, I would vote for a minor candidate.

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Re: Donald Trump
« Reply #397 on: May 04, 2016, 02:48:55 PM »
I'm going to come up with a conspiracy theory before anything's actually happened and say I reckon the CIA will take Trump out if he wins.

Will that be directed from their base on the Moon?

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« Reply #398 on: May 04, 2016, 02:57:23 PM »
Will that be directed from their base on the Moon?

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Re: Donald Trump
« Reply #399 on: May 04, 2016, 03:43:33 PM »
Quote from: Humph Warden Bennett li c=11312.msg611445#msg611445 date=1462369372
Given the choice of Mr Fart, or horrible Hillums, I would vote for a minor candidate.

Are minors allowed to run for president  ???
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