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Humph Warden Bennett

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Re: Mother Teresa
« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2015, 06:04:27 PM »
Who's bouncing? Her character and activities pre-mortem are being discussed, aren't they?

And who the hell still uses a term like 'Papists' these days?

1. I thought the discussion was about the RCC canonisation?

2. We do. So the Ulster Protestants, who ironically see our church as just another version of the RCC.

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Re: Mother Teresa
« Reply #26 on: December 18, 2015, 06:07:16 PM »
Chunderer,

That's not what "survivor bias" means.
I,m taking the piss hillside

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Re: Mother Teresa
« Reply #27 on: December 18, 2015, 06:22:31 PM »
Speaking as a Catholic, albeit lapsed (& some would say I'm "not a proper Catholic"), I have always had reservations about canonised saints.  To be a Saint a person has to perform miracles after death and it seems dodgy to me because not one of us is perfect:  at the same time, the Church exhorts us not to try and contact the dead so there are double standards.  Suffice, I believe, to remember or read the memories of others, about people who did outstanding work.  Apart from anything else, the canonisation process is lengthy and expensive.  Surely time and money would be better spent elsewhere.  However the traditionalists like it and it doesn't affect me - nor does it affect anyone else who isn't interested.

Mother Teresa is a controversial figure.  I have read a great deal about her and have known some who went to India to help in her centre, or one of her centres, years ago.  It seems to me that she started off well, with a good vision, but like many people, as her renown grew she felt she could walk on water.  The mighty tumble.  She can be remembered as a human being who certainly had a vocation to do good.  It went wrong in some ways.  Lesson to be learned - don't let anyone stay at the top for too long and do not put people on a pedestal.
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Re: Mother Teresa
« Reply #28 on: December 18, 2015, 07:36:37 PM »
Just out of interest, does anyone know how the investigating officials from the Vatican make the jump from medics saying, "we don't know how little Timmy got better" to, "that'll be a miracle then"?

And while we're at it, do they ever do an audit after the event? What if, say, back in the day the limits of medical knowledge meant they opted for a miracle as the cause but now the medics can readily explain what happened in corporeal terms - do they rescind the sainthood or something?
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Re: Mother Teresa
« Reply #29 on: December 18, 2015, 08:19:16 PM »
The Holy Spirit makes saints , not the RC church. all Christians are saints, the words are synonymous in the Bible. nuff said.
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Re: Mother Teresa
« Reply #30 on: December 18, 2015, 08:52:02 PM »
The Holy Spirit makes saints , not the RC church. all Christians are saints, the words are synonymous in the Bible. nuff said.
I totally agree.
God is the ultimate judge, not people who are fallible.
To be a saint is for your soul to enter heaven - and anyone can do this by accepting Jesus Christ as their saviour.  Why do people find this so difficult?  It is such a graet sadness that so many people reject Jesus.
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Re: Mother Teresa
« Reply #31 on: December 18, 2015, 08:55:44 PM »
I totally agree.
God is the ultimate judge, not people who are fallible.
To be a saint is for your soul to enter heaven - and anyone can do this by accepting Jesus Christ as their saviour.  Why do people find this so difficult?
The fact that you even have to ask such a question says much, Alan
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It is such a graet sadness that so many people reject Jesus.
To them? Or just to you?
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Re: Mother Teresa
« Reply #32 on: December 18, 2015, 09:02:29 PM »
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    It is such a great sadness that so many people reject Jesus.

To them? Or just to you?
To God
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Re: Mother Teresa
« Reply #33 on: December 18, 2015, 09:03:55 PM »
To them? Or just to you?
To God
I would have thought you'd believe he was big enough to take it.
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Re: Mother Teresa
« Reply #34 on: December 18, 2015, 09:36:17 PM »
Just out of interest, does anyone know how the investigating officials from the Vatican make the jump from medics saying, "we don't know how little Timmy got better" to, "that'll be a miracle then"?

And while we're at it, do they ever do an audit after the event? What if, say, back in the day the limits of medical knowledge meant they opted for a miracle as the cause but now the medics can readily explain what happened in corporeal terms - do they rescind the sainthood or something?
You've missed the opportunity to bring up survivor bias.

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Re: Mother Teresa
« Reply #35 on: December 18, 2015, 09:46:13 PM »
Have you noticed that there is evidence that supports the fact that Cris Hitchens was a real person that really did exist and there hasn't been any signs of him coming back from the dead yet, well, as far as I know.

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ippy, I certainly hope that he wasn't 'a real person that really did exist'.  That's tantamount to saying that he wasn't fully human   ;)

I would have thought you'd believe he was big enough to take it.
He can still be sad, Shaker - and be big enough to take it.  It's all part of being a parent.
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Re: Mother Teresa
« Reply #36 on: December 18, 2015, 10:38:12 PM »
The Holy Spirit makes saints , not the RC church. all Christians are saints, the words are synonymous in the Bible. nuff said.

Yes, I agree with that.

The Catholic Church canonises some people into Saints with a big 'S'.   They too state clearly that all believers are saints.

Referring to the poster who asked about the verification of miracles, eg, healing of the sick, I don't believe the 'miracles' necessary in the canonisation process have to be healing.   The miracles could concern something other than sick people.

I wish they would stop doing it but it will go on as long as a significant number of the congregation want it.
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Re: Mother Teresa
« Reply #37 on: December 18, 2015, 10:55:13 PM »
He can still be sad, Shaker
How? What with? What equipment would an allegedly immaterial being have to experience any emotion? In my case feeling sad - or feeling anything - is a complex but investigable interplay of brain chemistry and endocrinology amongst other facets of a body. How does a being purportedly made of nothing (so to speak) manage it?
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Re: Mother Teresa
« Reply #38 on: December 18, 2015, 11:13:19 PM »
I would have thought you'd believe he was big enough to take it.
God loves you as much as anyone of His creation.
There will be much rejoicing in Heaven when you repent and turn to Him.
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Re: Mother Teresa
« Reply #39 on: December 18, 2015, 11:15:09 PM »
God loves you as much as anyone of His creation.
There will be much rejoicing in Heaven when you repent and turn to Him.
Since you have made the same point before, I might as well give the same reply as before. On a scale of 0 to 10, from pretty well impossible to as good as certain, how likely do you consider that prospect?
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Re: Mother Teresa
« Reply #40 on: December 19, 2015, 07:35:29 AM »
A good person or bad, a "saint", come on, what a stupid superstition based idea in the first place, I suppose it satisfies the religosos apparent need for a bit of myth,  magic and some kind of mystical goings on, well if it keeps them happy? I just wish they wouldn' keep planting his nonsense on to the sholders of the next generation via very young children.

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Re: Mother Teresa
« Reply #41 on: December 19, 2015, 08:50:04 AM »
God loves you as much as anyone of His creation.
There will be much rejoicing in Heaven when you repent and turn to Him.

Stating that as a fact is a LIE Alan, as you only believe that to be true!

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Re: Mother Teresa
« Reply #42 on: December 19, 2015, 08:53:20 AM »
No one is worthy of being classified as a saint, certainly not that old witch MT. Sainthood is a crazy concept, made even more crazy by having to drag up a miracle or two supposedly performed by the would be 'saint'! ::)

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Re: Mother Teresa
« Reply #43 on: December 19, 2015, 09:29:09 AM »
Stating that as a fact is a LIE Alan, as you only believe that to be true!

No, it's not a lie, a lie is a deliberate untruth.

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Re: Mother Teresa
« Reply #44 on: December 19, 2015, 11:07:31 AM »
Since you have made the same point before, I might as well give the same reply as before. On a scale of 0 to 10, from pretty well impossible to as good as certain, how likely do you consider that prospect?
I will continue to pray for a miracle
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Re: Mother Teresa
« Reply #45 on: December 19, 2015, 11:25:56 AM »
Dear Shaker,

The word papist, Humph is only showing he has a rich and wide vocabulary ;)

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Re: Mother Teresa
« Reply #46 on: December 19, 2015, 11:32:18 AM »
I will continue to pray for a miracle
I really wouldn't bother, Alan. Countless people suffering truly desperate plights and in horrendous misery and suffering do just that, and their prayers fall on thin air as well.
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« Reply #47 on: December 19, 2015, 11:39:22 AM »
I will continue to pray for a miracle

I wouldn't hold your breath! ;D

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Re: Mother Teresa
« Reply #48 on: December 19, 2015, 12:28:52 PM »
I will continue to pray for a miracle

I can't think of anything more useless than praying for a miracle, perhaps a left handed tea cup.

ippy

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Re: Mother Teresa
« Reply #49 on: December 19, 2015, 12:42:02 PM »
I can't think of anything more useless than praying for a miracle, perhaps a left handed tea cup.

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Especially when you could use those microseconds to add something interesting, useful and above all secular on this forum.....eh, Ippy ;)