Mother Teresa

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I know exactly what "stalinist" means and I know that nobody on this board fits the bill, not even Vlad himself. I knew he would be unable to come up with the names because that post was just his usual content free trolling.

Supporting Freedom from religion is Stalinist.

[Rhiannon]

I know exactly what "stalinist" means and I know that nobody on this board fits the bill, not even Vlad himself. I knew he would be unable to come up with the names because that post was just his usual content free trolling.

Obviously you know, Jeremy. Vlad clearly doesn't though.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Obviously you know, Jeremy. Vlad clearly doesn't though.

Supporting the nature of England is Starlingist.

[Shaker]

Supporting Freedom from religion is Stalinist.

No it isn't.

[jeremyp]

Supporting Freedom from religion is Stalinist.

No it isn't.

If Shaker wants to be free from religion, I support it. That does not make me a Stalinist.

If you want freedom of religion for you, I support that too. I do not support the right of you to impose your religious "ideals" on people who don't want anything to do with them.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

No it isn't.

Try substituting the word religion with some other groups people belong to and I think you'll find that sounds Stalinist and offensive to people in those groups.

The Americans have a term. The phrase automatically makes religion ''sound like a bad thing''.......and by extension Stalinism not a bad thing since that is precisely what is going on.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

No it isn't.

If Shaker wants to be free from religion, I support it. That does not make me a Stalinist.

If you want freedom of religion for you, I support that too. I do not support the right of you to impose your religious "ideals" on people who don't want anything to do with them.

No it means freedom from religion for the whole of humanity. That is the goal.

[jeremyp]

No it means freedom from religion for the whole of humanity. That is the goal.

Whose goal? Name names.

Name the stalinist posters on this forum.

[Shaker]

Try substituting the word religion with some other groups people belong to and I think you'll find that sounds Stalinist and offensive to people in those groups.

What groups? Instead of hiding behind suggestion and implication and outright obscurantism why can't you specify what it is you think you're on about?

The Americans have a term. The phrase automatically makes religion ''sound like a bad thing''.......and by extension Stalinism not a bad thing since that is precisely what is going on.

Simply repeating the same tosh over and over and over won't make it true, Vlad.

[Shaker]

No it means freedom from religion for the whole of humanity. That is the goal.

No it isn't. There are only two options here that I can see. One is that you know perfectly well that this isn't the case but keep lying about it for some reason. The other possibility is that you actually believe something demonstrably false, which ... well, you like half-hints and veiled impications so you fill in the rest.

[Shaker]

Whose goal? Name names.

Name the stalinist posters on this forum.

He won't.

[Gordon]

C'mon Vlad - spill the beans, grass up the guilty, pin a tail on the Stalinists, etc etc.

We need to know so that we can get our 'Vlad Called Me a Stalinist' T-shirts printed for the coming Saturnalia festivities - and in years to come these could attract cult-status: be a bit like having a Blue Peter badge.

So - out with it man - were all a'tremblin with expectation.

[Shaker]

It was only a few days ago that Hope was referring darkly to potentially terrorism-causing statements on the forum; now, according to Vlad McCarthy, the place is a hotbed of Stalinists.

Gordon, we're doomed I tell ye - doomed!

[Walt Zingmatilder]

C'mon Vlad - spill the beans, grass up the guilty, pin a tail on the Stalinists, etc etc.

We need to know so that we can get our 'Vlad Called Me a Stalinist' T-shirts printed for the coming Saturnalia festivities -

Don't you mean Stalinalia?

[Gordon]

Don't you mean Stalinalia?

Nope, I did spot your bodyswerve though. So, am I on the list?

I'm sitting here thinking about the lettering on my T-shirt: I'm think Cyrillic would look cool!

[Brownie]

He was supposed to have converted some pilchards into herring on his deathbed - he thought the pilchards were the best 'herring' he'd ever tasted. This was the second 'miracle' (his works themselves being the first), that allowed him to be promoted to sainthood.

Pilchards are part of the herring family, closely related.  I just googled and found that out.  So he was right in a way, they were herring.  No miracle. 

When I read all this, it makes me feel embarrassed about the outdated canonisation process.  I wish there were more people who felt as I do, and were prepared to voice it.  Or perhaps no-one cares that much.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Chunderer,

Supporting Freedom from religion is Stalinist.

Could you at least try not to be so fucking idiotic.

Here's what Wiki says Stalinism actually involves:

"Stalinism is the means of governing and related policies implemented by Joseph Stalin. Stalinist policies in the Soviet Union included: state terror, rapid industrialization, the theory of socialism in one country, a centralized state, collectivization of agriculture, cult of personality, and subordination of interests of foreign communist parties to those of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union—deemed by Stalinism to be the most forefront vanguard party of communist revolution at the time.

Stalinism promoted the escalation of class conflict, utilizing state violence to forcibly purge society of claimed supporters of the bourgeoisie, regarding them as threats to the pursuit of the communist revolution that resulted in substantial political violence and persecution of such people.These included not only bourgeois people but also working-class people accused of counter-revolutionary sympathies."

Which of these things do you seriously think the BHA to be promoting?

Yet again...

...your religion, any other religion, any other organised belief system should continue to be private members clubs saying whatever they wish whenever they wish without fear of censorship. That's what secularism entails.

All that some of us say though is that none of those clubs should have privileged treatment above any other - to teach its personal faith beliefs as facts to children for example.

That's the "freedom from religion" bit - not to stop the religious from saying anything they like, but rather to give the rest of us the right not to have it imposed on us.

Why is this so difficult for you that you have to keep lying about it?   

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Chunderer,

Could you at least try not to be so fucking idiotic.

Here's what Wiki says Stalinism actually involves:

"Stalinism is the means of governing and related policies implemented by Joseph Stalin. Stalinist policies in the Soviet Union included: state terror, rapid industrialization, the theory of socialism in one country, a centralized state, collectivization of agriculture, cult of personality, and subordination of interests of foreign communist parties to those of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union—deemed by Stalinism to be the most forefront vanguard party of communist revolution at the time.

Stalinism promoted the escalation of class conflict, utilizing state violence to forcibly purge society of claimed supporters of the bourgeoisie, regarding them as threats to the pursuit of the communist revolution that resulted in substantial political violence and persecution of such people.These included not only bourgeois people but also working-class people accused of counter-revolutionary sympathies."

Which of these things do you seriously think the BHA to be promoting?

Yet again...

...your religion, any other religion, any other organised belief system should continue to be private members clubs saying whatever they wish whenever they wish without fear of censorship. That's what secularism entails.

All that some of us say though is that none of those clubs should have privileged treatment above any other - to teach its personal faith beliefs as facts to children for example.

That's the "freedom from religion" bit - not to stop the religious from saying anything they like, but rather to give the rest of us the right not to have it imposed on us.

Why is this so difficult for you that you have to keep lying about it?   

We know that Stalin also oppressed religion and ordered the removal of Christian symbols from visible places and ordered the bulldozers in. Only yesterday on the BBC was the Hill of Crosses in Soviet Russia discussed.

Anybody therefore who advocates Freedom FROM religion and campaigns for the removal of Christian symbolism is Stalinist.

Just shoving a wiki which fails to mention this doesn't exonerate anyone supporting the removal of Christianity and it's symbols or indeed any religion of Stalinism.

[Shaker]

Who is calling for the removal of Christian symbols or indeed symbols of any religion from visible places?

[SqueakyVoice]

Anybody therefore who advocates Freedom FROM religion and campaigns for the removal of Christian symbolism is Stalinist.

Just shoving a wiki which fails to mention this doesn't exonerate anyone supporting the removal of Christianity and it's symbols or indeed any religion of Stalinism.

Congratulations. You've managed to brainfart a definition so fucking ludiculous that the Roundheads (of English Civil War fame) can now be described as "Stalinist".

http://www.open.edu/openlearn/history-the-arts/history/world-history/church-desecration

William Dowsing, kept a diary of his exploits:

Swaffham Bulbeck in Cambridgeshire 1643. 4 crucifixes and Christ nailed to them and God the Father over one of them, and we brake down a 100 superstitious pictures, and 2 crosses we took off the steeple, and 2 on the church and chancel…We digged down the steps, 20 cherubins…. At Babraham in Cambridgeshire, January 5, 1644. We brake down 3 crucifixes and 60 superstitious pictures, and brake in pieces the rails.

[Maeght]

We know that Stalin also oppressed religion and ordered the removal of Christian symbols from visible places and ordered the bulldozers in. Only yesterday on the BBC was the Hill of Crosses in Soviet Russia discussed.

Anybody therefore who advocates Freedom FROM religion and campaigns for the removal of Christian symbolism is Stalinist.

Just shoving a wiki which fails to mention this doesn't exonerate anyone supporting the removal of Christianity and it's symbols or indeed any religion of Stalinism.

The forced banning of religious beliefs should be opposed, but that is not what Freedom from Religion means.

[ippy]

Pilchards are part of the herring family, closely related.  I just googled and found that out.  So he was right in a way, they were herring.  No miracle. 

When I read all this, it makes me feel embarrassed about the outdated canonisation process.  I wish there were more people who felt as I do, and were prepared to voice it.  Or perhaps no-one cares that much.

Maybe it might not have been the pilchards he converted could it have been some Pollocks?

ippy

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Chunderer,

Could you at least try not to be so fucking idiotic.

Here's what Wiki says Stalinism actually involves:

"Stalinism is the means of governing and related policies implemented by Joseph Stalin. Stalinist policies in the Soviet Union included: state terror, rapid industrialization, the theory of socialism in one country, a centralized state, collectivization of agriculture, cult of personality, and subordination of interests of foreign communist parties to those of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union—deemed by Stalinism to be the most forefront vanguard party of communist revolution at the time.

Stalinism promoted the escalation of class conflict, utilizing state violence to forcibly purge society of claimed supporters of the bourgeoisie, regarding them as threats to the pursuit of the communist revolution that resulted in substantial political violence and persecution of such people.These included not only bourgeois people but also working-class people accused of counter-revolutionary sympathies."

My understanding is that "Stalinism" means a belief in socialism in one country, as opposed to the "Trotskyite" idea of international revolution. 

[ippy]

We know that Stalin also oppressed religion and ordered the removal of Christian symbols from visible places and ordered the bulldozers in. Only yesterday on the BBC was the Hill of Crosses in Soviet Russia discussed.

Anybody therefore who advocates Freedom FROM religion and campaigns for the removal of Christian symbolism is Stalinist.

Just shoving a wiki which fails to mention this doesn't exonerate anyone supporting the removal of Christianity and it's symbols or indeed any religion of Stalinism.

How about this Vlad the small gathering houses at Crematoriums, usually owned by the local councils and not church property, are working toward having all religious symbols put away into suitable storage places and only brought out where appropriate, like for instance at a Humanist' funeral all the religious symbols would be put away to respect the feelings of the mostly non-religious relatives.

This is on it's way Vlad I just thought you would like to know about the enlightened view, such as religious symbols brought out of storage when these rapidly diminishing parts of society are conducting one of their funerals.

I call that fair play for all because the rules are the same for all, Humanist or not, no one would be banned.

ippy 

   

[Brownie]

Maybe it might not have been the pilchards he converted could it have been some Pollocks?

ippy

Being as he was posh and educated, he would have referred to them as "Pollachius".