Was Jesus gay?

[Khatru]

In the earliest Bibles, all the Jesus speak was in mauve.

[Hope]

It is much more likely there is intelligent life on other planets in this vast universe of ours than the existence of a deity, particularly the Biblical one

As Shaker points out - "It's impossible to work out the odds precisely because we don't know the exact number of planets (i.e. possible venues for the emergence of life) in the universe. What we do know is that just that bit of the universe we can observe is colossal beyond human comprehension and that sheer size shortens the odds because sheer size (and age) offers a bigger stage for life to emerge onto.[/quote]So using 'likelihood' as an argument is pointless.

[Nearly Sane]

As Shaker points out - "It's impossible to work out the odds precisely because we don't know the exact number of planets (i.e. possible venues for the emergence of life) in the universe. What we do know is that just that bit of the universe we can observe is colossal beyond human comprehension and that sheer size shortens the odds because sheer size (and age) offers a bigger stage for life to emerge onto.So using 'likelihood' as an argument is pointless.

Are you so stupid that you didn't realise the misrepresentation , you do here, of Shaker's post, or just happy to lie and do it anyway?

[Hope]

Are you so stupid that you didn't realise the misrepresentation , you do here, of Shaker's post, or just happy to lie and do it anyway?

I was simply pointing out that Shakes' argument holds just as validly against Floo's invocation of 'likelhood' as anyone else's in the matter.

[Nearly Sane]

I was simply pointing out that Shakes' argument holds just as validly against Floo's invocation of 'likelhood' as anyone else's in the matter.

And doing it in a way that shows you to be either stupid or a liar.

[Aruntraveller]

And doing it in a way that shows you to be either stupid or a liar.

Well I know where my money is on that.

[OH MY WORLD!]

How pathetic, Khtru bumps a stunted old thread of floo's, yet again, suggesting somebody is gay. And all he has to say is the words of Christ were once written in purple. That's not even on topic, not even close. It's as on topic as this, Ktru.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rEU7cGD4w0

[Khatru]

How pathetic, Khtru bumps a stunted old thread of floo's, yet again, suggesting somebody is gay. And all he has to say is the words of Christ were once written in purple. That's not even on topic, not even close. It's as on topic as this, Ktru.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rEU7cGD4w0

I thought it was a good gag. 

Seeing as you liked it so much, I'll hang on to it.

[Sassy]

How pathetic, Khtru bumps a stunted old thread of floo's, yet again, suggesting somebody is gay. And all he has to say is the words of Christ were once written in purple. That's not even on topic, not even close. It's as on topic as this, Ktru.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rEU7cGD4w0

Maybe K has seen one of your old photos and realised you are so much better looking.
See what I did there.... I think he likes stirring but ends up with lumps in his recipes for disaster...

[Khatru]

Maybe K has seen one of your old photos and realised you are so much better looking.
See what I did there.... I think he likes stirring but ends up with lumps in his recipes for disaster...

Crawling through life on your hands and knees, bent in subservience and fear to an imaginary god.....

[Hope]

Crawling through life on your hands and knees, bent in subservience and fear to an imaginary god.....

Thankfully, that in no way describes Christianity.  If anything, its striding purposefully through life in communion with a living God.

[Shaker]

Thankfully, that in no way describes Christianity.  If anything, its striding purposefully through life in communion with a living God.

And yet so many people still manage to stride purposefully through life without imaginary BFFs.

[Hope]

And yet so many people still manage to stride purposefully through life without imaginary BFFs.

And ...

[Shaker]

And that makes it an optional extra, a fifth wheel seemingly only indulged in by those with an emotional need for such a thing.

[Hope]

And that makes it an optional extra, a fifth wheel seemingly only indulged in by those with an emotional need for such a thing.

Or it may be that those striding purposefully through life without God are doing so at a level below their potential.

[Shaker]

Or it may be that those striding purposefully through life without God are doing so at a level below their potential.

How would you tell the difference?

[Hope]

How would you tell the difference?

In a way, its for the person to tell the difference not a 3rd party.  However, experience tells me that I'd tell the difference by whether someone felt that that was something missing from their stride. 

I've heard folk suggest (though I'm not so convinced by this) that one can tell by the determination that someone has to diss Christianity - or religion as a whole.   

[Shaker]

In a way, its for the person to tell the difference not a 3rd party.  However, experience tells me that I'd tell the difference by whether someone felt that that was something missing from their stride.

Ask around - plenty to choose from
 
You can start with me - nothing missing.

I've heard folk suggest (though I'm not so convinced by this) that one can tell by the determination that someone has to diss Christianity - or religion as a whole.   

Aside from the very obviously ad hoc madey-uppy nature of that by people who don't like their batty and wholly unevidenced beliefs being challenged or criticised, people 'diss' Christianity and/or religion as a whole because they dislike it - its silliness, its puerility, the credulity and servility and guilt it fosters.

And of course because it's just plain daft, and wholly unworthy of sensible grown-ups.

[Khatru]

Thankfully, that in no way describes Christianity.  If anything, its striding purposefully through life in communion with a living God.

Yet Christianity is built on fear.
 
The god of the Bible gets people to love him by condemning those who don't to eternal torture.  A conditional love born out of fear is not what I would call love.

[Hope]

Yet Christianity is built on fear.
 
The god of the Bible gets people to love him by condemning those who don't to eternal torture.  A conditional love born out of fear is not what I would call love.

Khat, whilst some English language translations seem to suggest this, the words used in those translations didn't generally mean that when the translations were first made.  Furthermore, the original Greek and Hebrew doesn't either.

That's why relying on old translations which are no longer in everyday English (something that they used to be) is a wonderful fallacy when debating.  May I suggest either the Common English Bible, the English Standard Bible or even the Message as more suited to 21st century English.

[Shaker]

A message which seems to require multiple translation and interpretation at comparatively regular intervals, historically speaking, and a god of the traditional attributes are hardly compatible are they?

[Hope]

Ask around - plenty to choose from
 
You can start with me - nothing missing.[/quote}OK, so you feel that you don't need anything.  Good for you.  Does that prove that you don't, though?

And of course because it's just plain daft, and wholly unworthy of sensible grown-ups.

You may need to argue that position with some eminently sensible grown-ups who do not share your opinions.  Nobel prize winners, leaders of nations, well-educated business folk, ...   

[floo]

Yet Christianity is built on fear.
 
The god of the Bible gets people to love him by condemning those who don't to eternal torture.  A conditional love born out of fear is not what I would call love.

Agreed

[Hope]

A message which seems to require multiple translation and interpretation at comparatively regular intervals, historically speaking, and a god of the traditional attributes are hardly compatible are they?

Language is a living organism, Shaker.  Society changes the meaning of words over time.  Are you suggesting that God ought to have mde sure that language never changes and that we all spoke the same language?

[Shaker]

You may need to argue that position with some eminently sensible grown-ups who do not share your opinions.  Nobel prize winners, leaders of nations, well-educated business folk, ...

Sensibleness in an actual discipline such a physics or economics is a good preventive against being led to believe the implausible and unevidenced where emotion is involved, but it's not infallible. Doublethink is a powerful factor in some minds - that's why there are some religious scientists.