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Re: Was Jesus gay?
« Reply #250 on: March 03, 2016, 01:55:05 PM »
Really - can you just stop doing that.

Just once.

I really do object to being bracketed with murderers.

Just stop being an offensive fuckwit.

Trent, that's Sass you're talking to.

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Re: Was Jesus gay?
« Reply #251 on: March 03, 2016, 01:59:09 PM »
I had to laugh  ::)
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Re: Was Jesus gay?
« Reply #252 on: March 03, 2016, 02:05:10 PM »
I walk with God and Christ.... No crawling just Father, Son and Daughter.
No fear for as we know...

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There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.


With every new post to me you are showing I am right and other believers right; when we say you know nothing about God, Christ, the Bible or Christianity.

For God so loved the world... How many times does it take for you to actually listen when the truth is showing you are wrong?

Yeah and as you stride through life with your invisible sky pixie, it's no doubt "end times this" and "end times that".  That's the trouble with your truth - you have no hope for the world.

Yet as you walk, there will always be a fear at the back of your mind - it's in your doubts - believers always have their doubts. And when you encounter such a crisis of faith you'll have to face up to wondering what happens if you fail?  Then the fear comes....fear of Satan, fear of eternal damnation and fear of hell and its demons.

But is losing your faith that bad?

Just think how you'll be free from your prudish, judgmental, smiting god.

And when a cute little girl dies of leukaemia you'll be able to sympathise that it was rotten luck without attributing her death to the action or inaction of your god.

Then there's respect for mankind!  That'll be a new experience for you.  We all know how your belief system brainwashes you into seeing humanity as inherently flawed, wretched, unworthy and oh-so-lucky to be tolerated by your deity of choice.

Anything else?

How about respect for the world?  Ditch your ju-ju and you'll realise that animals are anything but soulless meatbags magicked into existence for mankind to exploit as they see fit. 

Just think - you'll no longer be the religite, clinging to dogma and superstition while all the time harbouring a deep hatred of reason and logic.

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Re: Was Jesus gay?
« Reply #253 on: March 03, 2016, 02:08:55 PM »

Jesus was not Gay. No if's or but's. Christianity is about loving people inspite of the way they behave towards themselves and others...

It's a shame your god doesn't aspire to such a high standard of morality.
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Re: Was Jesus gay?
« Reply #254 on: March 03, 2016, 02:50:23 PM »
Yeah and as you stride through life with your invisible sky pixie, it's no doubt "end times this" and "end times that".  That's the trouble with your truth - you have no hope for the world.

Yet as you walk, there will always be a fear at the back of your mind - it's in your doubts - believers always have their doubts. And when you encounter such a crisis of faith you'll have to face up to wondering what happens if you fail?  Then the fear comes....fear of Satan, fear of eternal damnation and fear of hell and its demons.

But is losing your faith that bad?

Just think how you'll be free from your prudish, judgmental, smiting god.

And when a cute little girl dies of leukaemia you'll be able to sympathise that it was rotten luck without attributing her death to the action or inaction of your god.

Then there's respect for mankind!  That'll be a new experience for you.  We all know how your belief system brainwashes you into seeing humanity as inherently flawed, wretched, unworthy and oh-so-lucky to be tolerated by your deity of choice.

Anything else?

How about respect for the world?  Ditch your ju-ju and you'll realise that animals are anything but soulless meatbags magicked into existence for mankind to exploit as they see fit. 

Just think - you'll no longer be the religite, clinging to dogma and superstition while all the time harbouring a deep hatred of reason and logic.

Splendidly put, mate!

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Re: Was Jesus gay?
« Reply #255 on: March 03, 2016, 02:58:45 PM »
It is the Christian belief that Christ died for everyone (regardless of their sexual orientation),  that includes sinners - most of all sinners.  If posters don't believe in all that, they don't have to, but I fail to see what is wrong with a Christian stating what is a fundamental Christian belief.
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« Reply #256 on: March 03, 2016, 03:04:09 PM »
It is the Christian belief that Christ died for everyone (regardless of their sexual orientation),  that includes sinners - most of all sinners.  If posters don't believe in all that, they don't have to, but I fail to see what is wrong with a Christian stating what is a fundamental Christian belief.

I think what is wrong with it, Brownie, is the assumption that we are all sinners who have done something worthy of death, and that he had to die to redeem us. That is manifestly not true, although I don't deny that there as some very nasty people out there.

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Re: Was Jesus gay?
« Reply #257 on: March 03, 2016, 03:08:19 PM »
You put that very politely young Len!  Would that everyone disagreed so cordially though, if they did, no doubt there would be those who found it boring.
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Re: Was Jesus gay?
« Reply #258 on: March 03, 2016, 03:19:01 PM »
Really - can you just stop doing that.

Just once.

I really do object to being bracketed with murderers.

Just stop being an offensive fuckwit.

Unbelievers are also granted equivalent moral status to that little list.

It's a degenrate belief system they have.
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Re: Was Jesus gay?
« Reply #259 on: March 03, 2016, 04:46:11 PM »
It is the Christian belief that Christ died for everyone (regardless of their sexual orientation),  that includes sinners - most of all sinners.  If posters don't believe in all that, they don't have to, but I fail to see what is wrong with a Christian stating what is a fundamental Christian belief.

Simply put - heterosexuality is never cited as a sin - homosexuality is. This means that Sass and her ilk are free to put me alongside murderers and the like as a sinner because all sins are equal apparently. I find it offensive, unnecessary nonsense.
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Re: Was Jesus gay?
« Reply #260 on: March 03, 2016, 05:36:37 PM »
Yeah well, just ignore them for they know not what they say.
I wonder how Christians with that anachronistic view treat homosexuals who are Christian?  There are plenty of them, generally in long term, committed relationships.  Probably civil partners or married now.
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« Reply #261 on: March 03, 2016, 07:13:13 PM »
It is the Christian belief that Christ died for everyone (regardless of their sexual orientation),  that includes sinners - most of all sinners.  If posters don't believe in all that, they don't have to, but I fail to see what is wrong with a Christian stating what is a fundamental Christian belief.

Jesus died to save murderers, paedophiles and divorcees.

Now do you see?


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Re: Was Jesus gay?
« Reply #262 on: March 03, 2016, 07:27:50 PM »
Yeah well, just ignore them for they know not what they say.
I wonder how Christians with that anachronistic view treat homosexuals who are Christian?  There are plenty of them, generally in long term, committed relationships.  Probably civil partners or married now.

I really like your position, Brownie, but Hope or Sassy will claim that we should ignore you because you don't know and homosexual sex is comparable to murder

Rhiannon

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« Reply #263 on: March 03, 2016, 07:33:02 PM »
I really like your position, Brownie, but Hope or Sassy will claim that we should ignore you because you don't know and homosexual sex is comparable to murder

I agree; and I'm not sure how reasonable it is to expect gay posters to ignore being mentioned in the same breath as murderers.

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« Reply #264 on: March 03, 2016, 08:19:40 PM »
I agree; and I'm not sure how reasonable it is to expect gay posters to ignore being mentioned in the same breath as murderers.

When it comes to Sass, we don't for one minute expect a reasoned view. She needs sympathy and education.

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Re: Was Jesus gay?
« Reply #265 on: March 04, 2016, 08:14:51 AM »
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Re: Was Jesus gay?
« Reply #266 on: March 04, 2016, 11:49:22 AM »
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Re: Was Jesus gay?
« Reply #267 on: March 06, 2016, 11:38:27 AM »
Sass, you don't know whether Jesus had sex with men or women or both! To state he wasn't gay, without any evidence to support that statement, is daft!

The bible is clear... Christ was a PERFECT sacrifice. As he was not married he had not had sex.
Again you are not able to arrive at the truth because you never understand what is put in front of you and never read the bible.

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Re: Was Jesus gay?
« Reply #268 on: March 06, 2016, 11:55:45 AM »
Really - can you just stop doing that.

Just once.

I really do object to being bracketed with murderers.

Just stop being an offensive fuckwit.

You are the one who is offensive. Had you EVER read the posts by all believers then you would know there is NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SINS. ONLY SIN WHICH LEADS TO INSTANT DEATH IN THE OT.
Why do you see your sin as any different to an adulterers?  The 10 commandments are all listed together. The comparison of one being worse than the other is entirely your own. The bible does not single out one sin greater than another they just have sins which lead to instant death. In the case of adulterers, homosexuals and murderers it was instant death.


2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.

3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,

4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.



The one sin not mentioned in the gospels of men being put to death was homosexuality. It was never talked about and it was not something men caught in the act of doing in Christs ministry.  So in truth the bible saw homosexuality as the same as adultery and murder as I said they all lead to death but in the case of sin death in the here and now they all lead to being put to death instantly.

As Christ said: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. All have sinned but there is sin that leads to death and that sin cannot be pray about for others.


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If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.


There were sins but some did not lead to death. Adultery and Murder etc did lead to people being put to death instantly
The posts are not written at you or about you. They are about the truth and what happens and has happened in the past.
If you could think as a scholar and not your sexuality. You would stop attacking people and what they write due to your sexuality and read and reply to the scholarly facts held within the posts and the points being made.

Namely that all sin is sin and leads to death of the individual for the purpose of salvation. We can pray for those we see sin but not about those sins which actually lead to their death in the here and now. Now maybe you will stop reacting as if the person and not the bible are saying these things. The title of this thread is deemed offensive to believers for it asks  " Was Jesus Gay"
We have a right to answer that as it is not asked because the person does not know the answer. The person asking knows from the bible it would be impossible under the law for Christ to be Gay. So to stir emotions up for believer and none believer.

I personally have no beef with you. But don't take it out on me because you do have a beef about making it about your own sexuality and not the discussion of Christ which the bible is clear on. As it is about murder, adultery and homosexuality being sins which the persons involved were put to death if caught in the act of committing.
How can murder, adultery or homosexuality be compared as in degrees of badness or sin? It can't because they all pertain to individuals and none reflect on each other.

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Re: Was Jesus gay?
« Reply #269 on: March 06, 2016, 11:56:51 AM »
So many words, so little content.
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Re: Was Jesus gay?
« Reply #270 on: March 06, 2016, 11:57:48 AM »
Sassy

Are there only 10?

I thought there were many more.
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Re: Was Jesus gay?
« Reply #271 on: March 06, 2016, 12:24:28 PM »
So many words, so little content.

And so boring!  :(

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Re: Was Jesus gay?
« Reply #272 on: March 06, 2016, 12:26:38 PM »
Yeah and as you stride through life with your invisible sky pixie, it's no doubt "end times this" and "end times that".  That's the trouble with your truth - you have no hope for the world.

Yet as you walk, there will always be a fear at the back of your mind - it's in your doubts - believers always have their doubts. And when you encounter such a crisis of faith you'll have to face up to wondering what happens if you fail?  Then the fear comes....fear of Satan, fear of eternal damnation and fear of hell and its demons.

But is losing your faith that bad?

Just think how you'll be free from your prudish, judgmental, smiting god.

And when a cute little girl dies of leukaemia you'll be able to sympathise that it was rotten luck without attributing her death to the action or inaction of your god.

My cute and beautiful niece died from a massive heart attack at the age of 16 weeks from endocardialfibroelastosis.
It is a genetic heart disease.  It wasn't rotten luck and it wasn't an inaction by my God. It wasn't sympathy it was a sharing of grief. But a week or so before the incident I was with my sister and her baby at her home. Lovely day and a good one by all accounts. When I left to go home for my evening meal as I got to the door a voice said to me. " Go back and kiss the baby, you will never get to kiss her again." Baby was sleeping peacefully and I kissed her and left.
I never got to see her again two weeks later early hours of the morning police knocked at my parents home with my sister clutching babies blanket. Despite brave attempts by her and the ambulance crew they could not save her.
No one not even babies dad got to see her again or kiss her goodbye. My sister said no one was to see her that she was to be kept in funeral home till funeral and coffin sealed. No visits. No one could come and kiss her goodbye.
Two years later another niece my sisters daughter died. A little boy died in womb. Then two neices born with heart disease and a boy severe breathing difficulties. Both neices had been sent home to die. Both anointed and both still alive with children of their own. The heart disease does not heal. One niece it has completely healed now the other still has to take it easy.
Very beautiful has three children and her own business.

You have no idea when it comes to the power of God what he can do and change.
Don't tell me about what I will be able to do with others. My daughter special needs complications since birth and breathing difficulties all through her life. My son has breathing complications for the first two years of his life.
My husband was severely mentally ill and nearly lost his life on three occasions the last requiring  dialysis which wasn't really
sure would work. I have spent all my adult life caring for others. Mother, children and siblings children.
Not a moment to spare for myself till my son turned 18 two years ago and he helped in the evenings allowing me some times for myself a couple of nights a week.

Judgmental freedom and smiting God. You need a lesson in life which concerns looking after others instead of yourself all the time. Taking the time to know others instead of passing your judgments out on those who hold a faith which gives them the strength to do that you would not survive.  You talk about things from an utterly self centred point of view. One unrealistic in the way you view others in ignorance.
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Then there's respect for mankind!  That'll be a new experience for you.  We all know how your belief system brainwashes you into seeing humanity as inherently flawed, wretched, unworthy and oh-so-lucky to be tolerated by your deity of choice.

My humanity has me facing my problems head on. Taking care of those and not requiring or needing respect to look after those I love. My faith is not about what others think it is about doing that which as human beings we all should do.
I see the no flaws in humanity I see flaws in individuals like yourself who have no humane kindness or responsibility in attaining the truth about others before judging them. My faith shows me that my Father God, loves all.... even those humanity deem unworthy and unlovable. Mankind makes their own suffer... my Father asks them to stop hurting and to begin loving them all.
My view is nothing like yours. Who is really brainwashed? You brainwash yourself if you really believe your own rubbish and statements.
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Anything else?

How about respect for the world?  Ditch your ju-ju and you'll realise that animals are anything but soulless meatbags magicked into existence for mankind to exploit as they see fit. 

Just think - you'll no longer be the religite, clinging to dogma and superstition while all the time harbouring a deep hatred of reason and logic.

You mean become like you... Soulless, judgmental and thinking the worst of anything to keep from accepting that people with faith are people who believe God loves everyone, including you. I don't have dogma and superstition. You do... re-read what you wrote and ask yourself where you learned it...  You could not walk a yard in my shows let alone a mile. You would never survive as an atheist.
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Re: Was Jesus gay?
« Reply #273 on: March 06, 2016, 12:36:26 PM »
Keep repeating this to yourself until the truth of it finally dawns on you..

You only run from the truth because of your own personal history.
Life isn't always fair. Not everyone are whom they appear to be.
But you would not know if someone bent over backward to help you because you are too stuck in your past.
Sorry we differ in I am no ones mug and I don't allow my past to rule my present or future.

Nor do I judge the truth about God according to the life I have lived or what others have done to me.
As a Child and as an adult, the truth about God does not alter according to what happens to me or the events in my life.
The truth about God is solid. It is in the truth we find the way forward and learn we may not have had to go through most of the things had we just listened to him and those who loved us.

So by all means keep to your own fantasies that X'tians are brainwashed but don't pretend we never step outside our comfort zone to test if something true. At least you have evidence that it is not so. Just as believers have evidence that God is faithful to his words and promises. You cannot live life to the full whilst you are still living in your past.


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Re: Was Jesus gay?
« Reply #274 on: March 06, 2016, 04:55:20 PM »
Simply put - heterosexuality is never cited as a sin - homosexuality is. This means that Sass and her ilk are free to put me alongside murderers and the like as a sinner because all sins are equal apparently. I find it offensive, unnecessary nonsense.
Trent, I'd have thought that being regarded as on a par with everyone else - a sinner - is quite sufficient for most people.  Why should being treated as equally as this be offensive? (note that it is only the likes of you who pick on the extremes when trying to make such a point as you have).
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