Was Jesus Radicalised?

[Ricky Spanish]

Did John the Baptiser Radicalise Jesus into his way of teaching about the apocalypse?

[Hope]

Did John the Baptiser Radicalise Jesus into his way of teaching about the apocalypse?

If he tried, he did a pretty poor job, because Jesus was far more radical than JtheB and on far more issues.  In fact, if the records are to be believed, Jesus had already shown far more radical thinking than JtheB before his baptism.

[floo]

The ISIS mob are radicalised and steps are being taken to eliminate them. So maybe it isn't so surprising Jesus was eliminated too if he was a radicle and regarded as a threat to the religious establishment.

[jeremyp]

If he tried, he did a pretty poor job, because Jesus was far more radical than JtheB and on far more issues.  In fact, if the records are to be believed, Jesus had already shown far more radical thinking than JtheB before his baptism.

Which records are those?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

The ISIS mob are radicalised and steps are being taken to eliminate them. So maybe it isn't so surprising Jesus was eliminated too if he was a radicle and regarded as a threat to the religious establishment.

Bonkers.

Also a radicle is part of a pea or bean seed...........as any ful kno.

[Hope]

Which records are those?

The records in which JtheB and Jesus are mentioned.

[Hope]

The ISIS mob are radicalised and steps are being taken to eliminate them. So maybe it isn't so surprising Jesus was eliminated too if he was a radicle and regarded as a threat to the religious establishment.

In which case, the Jewisih authorities were concerned about him and would have been very sure that they kept track of those who had been his followers and any story that thay might have come up with consequently.  They would also have wanted to be sure that they knew where any body might be at any stage after the execution.

Ironically, Floo's post therefore negates other people's posts that have suggested that they authorities wouldn't have taken much interest in what occurred post-execution of the 'radical' who was a threat to them and their establishment.

[Gordon]

They would also have wanted to be sure that they knew where any body might be at any stage after the execution.

How do you know this was the case?

[Hope]

How do you know this was the case?

Look at Floo's post which I quoted and then follow the logic trail, Gordon.  I know its early in the morning, but I am surprised that you, of all people, haven't been able to do that.

Then consider what the US Seals are reported to have done with bin Laden's body and why.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

How do you know this was the case?

If they thought it important enough to execute Jesus it would have been routine, but then I think Floo started looking at things in a modern sense.

Of course if no further action were taken then the authorities were satisfied that to the disciples the Jesus thing was over. That is no longer the case when we get to the acts of the apostles.

[Gordon]

Look at Floo's post which I quoted and then follow the logic trail, Gordon.  I know its early in the morning, but I am surprised that you, of all people, haven't been able to do that.

I've seen Floo's post thank you, which isn't my point.

You've advanced the idea before that the authorities at the time could have produced the body of Jesus to scotch any rumours of resurrection, implying that Jesus was seen by these authorities as being more than just a routine irritant, and here you seem to be using Floo's post to reinforce this very same point - which seems to be an assumption.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I've seen Floo's post thank you, which isn't my point.

You've advanced the idea before that the authorities at the time could have produced the body of Jesus to scotch any rumours of resurrection, implying that Jesus was seen by these authorities as being more than just a routine irritant, and here you seem to be using Floo's post to reinforce this very same point - which seems to be an assumption.

Exhumation would be the obvious line over doubts over a death of a high profile nature.

[Gordon]

Then consider what the US Seals are reported to have done with bin Laden's body and why.

The similarity between a 21st century international terrorist who was internationally notorious at the point he was killed, and about whom there are no supernatural claims of his being God incarnate, and a local religious figure in antiquity involving claims of divinity are what exactly?

[Gordon]

Exhumation would be the obvious line over doubts over a death of a high profile nature.

Possibly - assuming that the these 'authorities' (as Hope refers to them) at the point of Jesus being executed thought that; a) Jesus was high profile, and b) they were aware of resurrection rumours.

Are there any records that confirm these 'authorities' thought as much at the time?

[floo]

I think it quite possible that the body of Jesus was removed by the authorities to stop the tomb becoming a place of worship, and possibly protest, for his supporters. But of course the resurrection scenario makes a much better story doesn't it!

[jeremyp]

The records in which JtheB and Jesus are mentioned.

Goal post shifting alert. You claim there are records which tell us that Jesus' teachings were more radical than John's. But now you think it is enough that they were just mentioned together.

Try again and give us references this time.

[jeremyp]

They would also have wanted to be sure that they knew where any body might be at any stage after the execution.

Why? Why would anybody have cared about the whereabouts of a dead body?

Most likely it was put in an unmarked grave and that was the end of it.

Ironically, Floo's post therefore negates other people's posts that have suggested that they authorities wouldn't have taken much interest in what occurred post-execution of the 'radical' who was a threat to them and their establishment.

Keep clutching at those straws.

Do you think the USA has posted a guard over the spot where they dumped Osama Bin Laden?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Possibly - assuming that the these 'authorities' (as Hope refers to them) at the point of Jesus being executed thought that; a) Jesus was high profile, and b) they were aware of resurrection rumours.

Are there any records that confirm these 'authorities' thought as much at the time?

Or they were so sure that Jesus was dead and contrary to your thesis that people believed that dead people rose from the dead, they didn't and therefore didn't bother checking.

[Leonard James]

Or they were so sure that Jesus was dead and contrary to your thesis that people believed that dead people rose from the dead, they didn't and therefore didn't bother checking.

I'm sure without looking that the vast majority of people in those days "knew" that some religious character or other had come back to life.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I'm sure without looking that the vast majority of people in those days "knew" that some religious character or other had come back to life.

Not according to Jeremy P who asked why people would bother about a dead body. Jeremy is just reflecting 1st century evidence that people didn't believe in resurrection. So you are wrong Len.

That golden I don't know much about religion was brought to you courtesy of the Len James Corporation.

[Leonard James]

Not according to Jeremy P who asked why people would bother about a dead body. Jeremy is just reflecting 1st century evidence that people didn't believe in resurrection. So you are wrong Len.

That golden I don't know much about religion was brought to you courtesy of the Len James Corporation.

I repeat:-

I'm sure without looking that the vast majority of people in those days "knew" that some religious character or other had come back to life.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I repeat:-

I'm sure without looking that the vast majority of people in those days "knew" that some religious character or other had come back to life.

They had heard it but in the same way that most of us had heard it still didn't believe it........sorry Len......gamma minus.

[Hope]

If they thought it important enough to execute Jesus it would have been routine, but then I think Floo started looking at things in a modern sense.

Actually, it wouldn't have been routine.  The Jewish authorities had no recourse to the death penalty, at least not in public, and to do what they did with Jesus required the involvement of the Roman authorities.

Of course if no further action were taken then the authorities were satisfied that to the disciples the Jesus thing was over. That is no longer the case when we get to the acts of the apostles.

And, of course, the events of the early chapters of Acts were weeks and months after the crucifixion - so they wouldn't have had a great deal of time to be satisfied.

[Leonard James]

They had heard it but in the same way that most of us had heard it still didn't believe it........sorry Len......gamma minus.

Since neither you nor I were around at the time, it remains a matter of opinion. 

[Leonard James]

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/crossexamined/2013/03/jesus-just-one-more-dying-and-rising-savior-2/