What Do Christians Think Of This?

[Hope]

If it was a recurring thing she would have seen him coming and responded before he could start his act as he came to her from her side (about 80 deg. from her front (to back) axis. But she didn't she turned in surprise. I find your grovelling on this strange, Hope.

Oddly enough, JK, I've been in comparable situations a couple of times, and one turned out to have been something that happened every day at about the same time, and was a local group running a project to get people communicating with each other.

As Brownie Asks: "Did you speak to the young woman after this happened"?  Did you, or anyone go and reassure her, ask how she was, etc. after the guy had left?

[Jack Knave]

Did you speak to the young woman after this happened, in your presence?  Had it occurred in front of me (or to the side of me or whatever), I'm pretty sure I would have said something to the girl, if only, "You okay?".    I think most of us would have done the same.  Had you done so, she might have told you if she knew him and, if she didn't know him - which is what you believe - she would undoubtedly have been glad that someone cared enough to ask her if she was alright.  Might even have been a bit nervous to go out of the library unescorted.

I don't see why this is something that Christians would "think about" any more than anyone else, despite the fact that the man had a cross.   Anyone would have been alarmed and concerned.  We know your reaction, did anyone else witness the occurrence and what did they do or say?

I was sitting a few spots from her and the person next to her said nothing to her. She seemed of the composed type and wasn't flustered by the affair but all the people around turned and looked with that puzzlement that people do when something odd occurs. Her response was first surprise and mild shock and then Oh, you're one of those religious nutters. type of responses, and relaxed back into what she was doing.

[Sassy]

You speak sense here Sass; it is a silly subject for us to get wound up about (not that I am getting wound up  ), storm in a teacup.  People sometimes do strange things and we may not know why but if no harm done, not to worry.

I think we live in a stressful age and mens hearts fail them because of the stress.

Luke 21:26King James Version (KJV)

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

Sometimes man cannot see when their own actions are working against the things they want to avoid.
Simply reading something into something which was not there.

These times cause people to mistrust others and live in fear. Whereas trusting in God will bring them peace.
How easy to misread a situation. How sad when people use the situation to attack others whether verbally or physically.

Life is too short. One minute they complain about bullying the next they are the bully.

A little like the line from hook by Wendy... Oh dear, Peter you have become a pirate.

[Sassy]

I was sitting a few spots from her and the person next to her said nothing to her. She seemed of the composed type and wasn't flustered by the affair but all the people around turned and looked with that puzzlement that people do when something odd occurs. Her response was first surprise and mild shock and then Oh, you're one of those religious nutters. type of responses, and relaxed back into what she was doing.

Embellishing.... Not a good idea....

I saw in my library the other day an eastern/Chinese looking guy of around 50-ish walk up to a pretty young woman, take a cross hanging from his neck by a chain and thrust it into her face. He got his face inches from hers, glared into her eyes and said, "God gave you your beauty!" Then smartly walked off......?

What response did she make to suggest or support your claim? :-

Oh, you're one of those religious nutters.

In fact you clearly say he just walked up to her. It doesn't make sense at all...

[Hope]

I was sitting a few spots from her and the person next to her said nothing to her. She seemed of the composed type and wasn't flustered by the affair but all the people around turned and looked with that puzzlement that people do when something odd occurs. Her response was first surprise and mild shock and then Oh, you're one of those religious nutters. type of responses, and relaxed back into what she was doing.

So, you made no attempt to reassure her or check that she was alright (after all, people can often appear to be strong, yet hurt inside).  That makes all your posturing on this thread somewhat hypocritical.

[Jack Knave]

Embellishing.... Not a good idea....

Just answering a question, nothing else.

What response did she make to suggest or support your claim? :-

But you just said I shouldn't embellish, so I won't....

In fact you clearly say he just walked up to her. It doesn't make sense at all...

Yes?......and?

My account does make sense.

[Jack Knave]

So, you made no attempt to reassure her or check that she was alright (after all, people can often appear to be strong, yet hurt inside).  That makes all your posturing on this thread somewhat hypocritical.

No it doesn't. Her response and outcome has no bearing on the weirdness and oddity of what the guy did.

As it was, she did not look flustered by what had happened and continued on with her activity. There were no signs that she was upset, no nervous looking around or staring into space and all that.

[Hope]

No it doesn't. Her response and outcome has no bearing on the weirdness and oddity of what the guy did.

As it was, she did not look flustered by what had happened and continued on with her activity. There were no signs that she was upset, no nervous looking around or staring into space and all that.

But unless you know the background, if any, to the situation, all your bluster and wriggling is just that, mere bluster and wriggle.

[ippy]

I think we live in a stressful age and mens hearts fail them because of the stress.



Sometimes man cannot see when their own actions are working against the things they want to avoid.
Simply reading something into something which was not there.

These times cause people to mistrust others and live in fear. Whereas trusting in God will bring them peace.
How easy to misread a situation. How sad when people use the situation to attack others whether verbally or physically.

Life is too short. One minute they complain about bullying the next they are the bully.

A little like the line from hook by Wendy... Oh dear, Peter you have become a pirate.

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[ippy]

Embellishing.... Not a good idea....

What response did she make to suggest or support your claim? :-
In fact you clearly say he just walked up to her. It doesn't make sense at all...

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[Jack Knave]

But unless you know the background, if any, to the situation, all your bluster and wriggling is just that, mere bluster and wriggle.

I have never wriggled in my life!!!

The situation or any background context is beside the point. His behaviour was abnormal. Even if she knew him and this had happened before it is still weird and would be classified as harassment. What background scenario can you think of that would make this into a normal act?

If you saw a man manhandle a women roughly and then found out that they were married and this had happened many times before would you say, well that is ok then, it can be seen as quite normal and needs no further comment?

[Hope]

What background scenario can you think of that would make this into a normal act?

Live drama production; TV shows that aren't scripted - something like a prompt for a vox pop for a magazine show.

If you saw a man manhandle a women roughly and then found out that they were married and this had happened many times before would you say, well that is ok then, it can be seen as quite normal and needs no further comment?

The tone of your question suggests that you would see it "as quite normal and needs no further comment" - whereas, I'd want to know whether it was common or a one-off - in which cases I'd handle the situation in 2 different ways, but would never ignore it (unless someone else beat me to it).

[jeremyp]

Oddly enough, JK, I've been in comparable situations a couple of times

I think you should stop doing it then. Some people don't like it.

[Jack Knave]

Live drama production; TV shows that aren't scripted - something like a prompt for a vox pop for a magazine show.

I can safely say that I saw no cameras and lighting and directors when this event occurred. After it happened no one said "That's a rap."
 

The tone of your question suggests that you would see it "as quite normal and needs no further comment" - whereas, I'd want to know whether it was common or a one-off - in which cases I'd handle the situation in 2 different ways, but would never ignore it (unless someone else beat me to it).
 

No, I would see either scenario to be abnormal, or a sign that something was not quite right. I would not take it that it was part of normal life and behaviour. You might be a nosy so and so but as I said she did not look troubled by the intrusion and so there was no need to see if she was alright.

[Hope]

I can safely say that I saw no cameras and lighting and directors when this event occurred. After it happened no one said "That's a rap."

Shows how little you know about making vox pops and other short material.  I and a group of students - with the help of a pro. producer did somethig vaguely similr when i was at college - and at no time did we employ big bulky cameras, lighting, directors (other than ourselves), or close things by saying 'that's a rap' (sic).. If anything, we might have said 'that's a wrap' but nor did we say that!!  The camera we used was a domestic movie camera with a small tape cassette.  The light we used was daylight.

No, I would see either scenario to be abnormal, or a sign that something was not quite right. I would not take it that it was part of normal life and behaviour. You might be a nosy so and so but as I said she did not look troubled by the intrusion and so there was no need to see if she was alright.

Hopefully you won't be around if anyone here gets harrassed in the way this thread has been discussing.  Maybe, it's my Christian upbringing, but I've always be taught - both at home and at school that someone should always say something to a victim in such a situation; if only to show that someone is concerned/saw the event.  A victim can always say that they're alright, and/or turn down any offer of help.

[Hope]

I think you should stop doing it then. Some people don't like it.

Actually, every time, the victim has thanked me for showing concern, even if they didn't want any further help or support.  Perhaps your upbringing is like JK's and advised you to steer clear of this kind of situation - rather like the priest and Levite did in the story of the Good Samaritan   

[Sassy]

Just answering a question, nothing else.

No you were

embellish
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verb
make (something) more attractive by the addition of decorative details or features.
"blue silk embellished with golden embroidery"
synonyms:   decorate, adorn, ornament, dress, dress up, furnish; More
make (a statement or story) more interesting by adding extra details that are often untrue.

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Embellishing adding details you made up.

But you just said I shouldn't embellish, so I won't....

You did not elaborate. Give details which would have made sense.

develop or present (a theory, policy, or system) in further detail.
"the theory was proposed by Cope and elaborated by Osborn"

You assumed without knowing the truth of the situation.

My account does make sense.

Only to you in your twisted sense of the word.

[jeremyp]

Actually, every time, the victim has thanked me for showing concern, even if they didn't want any further help or support. 

People thank you for harassing them with your Jesus messages?

[Hope]

People thank you for harassing them with your Jesus messages?

No, jeremy, if you read the posts I've made and which you appeared to be referencing, I was talking about my practice of checking that someone who has been assaulted in the way that Jack has been telling us he saw, is alright.  I think said practice is good practice.  JK, sems to think differently; perhaps, if your attempts to misconstrue my posts are anything to go by, you agree with JK.

[Jack Knave]

Shows how little you know about making vox pops and other short material.  I and a group of students - with the help of a pro. producer did somethig vaguely similr when i was at college - and at no time did we employ big bulky cameras, lighting, directors (other than ourselves), or close things by saying 'that's a rap' (sic).. If anything, we might have said 'that's a wrap' but nor did we say that!!  The camera we used was a domestic movie camera with a small tape cassette.  The light we used was daylight.

I don't know anything about doing those filming things, but this occurred in a library and if any of this would have been visible or disruptive it would have been dealt with by the staff.

[Hope]

I don't know anything about doing those filming things, but this occurred in a library and if any of this would have been visible or disruptive it would have been dealt with by the staff.

Suggesting, therefore, that it wasn't 'visible or disruptive'.  What's your point.

[ippy]

I think we live in a stressful age and mens hearts fail them because of the stress.



Sometimes man cannot see when their own actions are working against the things they want to avoid.
Simply reading something into something which was not there.

These times cause people to mistrust others and live in fear. Whereas trusting in God will bring them peace.
How easy to misread a situation. How sad when people use the situation to attack others whether verbally or physically.

Life is too short. One minute they complain about bullying the next they are the bully.

A little like the line from hook by Wendy... Oh dear, Peter you have become a pirate.

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[Jack Knave]

Suggesting, therefore, that it wasn't 'visible or disruptive'.  What's your point.

So you are saying they can film these things without anyone knowing. Does the 'victim' know they are part of this?

[Hope]

So you are saying they can film these things without anyone knowing.

Did you never watch Candid Camera, Jack?  Ever heard of CCTV?   

Does the 'victim' know they are part of this?

It depends on whether s/he is the victim or an insider.

[Jack Knave]

Did you never watch Candid Camera, Jack?  Ever heard of CCTV?   

But that is not something you can do in a Library. CCTV? How would a TV company etc. set that up?

It depends on whether s/he is the victim or an insider.

Well, the victim I saw just carried on doing what she had been doing for some time. If it was a prank it failed.