Satanic precepts better than Ten Commandments?!

[Sriram]

Hi everyone,

I came across this article today about 7 Satanic precepts that the article claims are better than the Ten Commandments.

http://www.wakingtimes.com/2015/12/23/seven-satanic-precepts-beat-ten-commandments-as-moral-guide/

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Why might members of the Satanic Temple find it easier than Christians to follow some teachings of Jesus? The answer lies in their sacred values and rules.

Many Christians believe that the most dangerous enemy of their religion would be a follower of Satan. But sometimes Christians are their own worst enemy—even with Satanists in the mix.

This fall, Christianity’s brand has been battered, not by Satanists but by the behavior of Christians themselves: Catholic corporations headed to the Supreme Court, trying yet again to prevent women from preventing pregnancy. U.S. Presidential Candidate Ben Carson declared on biblical authority that the Egyptian Pyramids were actually built to store grain. The Mormon hierarchy issued a formal ruling that baptism and temple initiation (including protective undergarments) would be denied to children of gay couples. Christianists in Houston defeated gender equality legislation by whipping up fear of cross-dressing men lurking in women’s bathrooms. And research went viral showing that children from secular homes are more generous, less prickly and less punitive than children raised under Christian and Muslim parents.

The Satanic Temple, which is based in Massachusetts but has approximately 20 chapters across the U.S., lists their seven fundamental tenets as the following:

One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason.

The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.

One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.

The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo your own.

Beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world. We should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit our beliefs.

People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we should do our best to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused.

Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

Anyone who is familiar with the Ten Commandments will immediately recognize that these seven tenets offer an easier path to equanimity than do the famous Ten.

The first of the Ten Commandments—Thou shalt have no other gods before me–asserts the primacy of a single deity rather than the primacy of compassion and empathy.

Perhaps Christians should consider upgrading from a set of 10 Commandments that were written in the Iron Age to a better set. It might do wonders for Christianity’s public image—and for their ability to follow the teachings of Jesus himself.

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Any views?

Sriram

PS: I didn't want to post this on the Christian board on Christmas day!  Not in the spirit of Christmas.

[jeremyp]

Much better than the 10C

[Shaker]

Can't see anything there to quibble with.

[Udayana]

No problem with the tenets, don't see what they have to do with Satan though, or why Satan is even neccessary.

[Shaker]

No problem with the tenets, don't see what they have to do with Satan though, or why Satan is even neccessary.

My understanding of the religion is that Satanists see Satan not as a literal personalistic entity that somehow exists "out there" yet in some unobservable and undetectable way but as a symbolic representation not merely of revolt and rebellion but independence and free thought:

Lilith Starr heads the Seattle chapter of the Satanic Temple, which eschews all forms of supernaturalism but sees Satan as a timeless icon “for the selfless revolt against tyranny, free & rational inquiry, and the responsible pursuit of happiness."

There was a Mr Milton who wrote a good deal about this some years ago. The Wiki page on Satanism states:

[It] is an atheistic philosophy that asserts the individual as his or her own god. Adherents instead see the character of Satan as an archetype of pride, carnality, liberty, enlightenment, undefiled wisdom, and of a cosmos which Satanists perceive to be motivated by a "dark evolutionary force of entropy that permeates all of nature and provides the drive for survival and propagation inherent in all living things". He also serves as a conceptual framework and an external metaphorical projection of [the Satanists] highest personal potential. Satan (Hebrew: שָּׂטָן satan, meaning "adversary") is seen as a symbol of defiance to the conservatism of mainstream philosophical and religious currents, mainly the Abrahamic religions, that see this character as their antithesis.

Certainly the oddest Christmas Day I've had in a long while, this.

[Hope]

Many Christians believe that the most dangerous enemy of their religion would be a follower of Satan.

Probably the funniest and most inaccurate comment I've ever seen in any discussion about religion.  Having it so early in the article made me laugh - almost out loud in the run up to Christmas 'lunch' now scheduled for 5pm!!  It also made me wonder how many other inaccuracies the author would be including.

But sometimes Christians are their own worst enemy ...

Ironically, the same sentence, but with the word 'humans' in place of 'Christians' is no less true.  In fact, you could put just about any description of groups or organisations in that slot and it would be no less true.

This fall, Christianity’s brand has been battered, not by Satanists but by the behavior of Christians themselves: Catholic corporations headed to the Supreme Court, trying yet again to prevent women from preventing pregnancy. U.S. Presidential Candidate Ben Carson declared on biblical authority that the Egyptian Pyramids were actually built to store grain.

Can't comment on most these having not heard of them prior to this post, but they are not unlikely.

The Mormon hierarchy issued a formal ruling that baptism and temple initiation (including protective undergarments) would be denied to children of gay couples.

Not sure what a reference to Mormonism is doing in a list of claimed Christian failings.

Christianists in Houston ...

What's a Christianist?

... defeated gender equality legislation by whipping up fear of cross-dressing men lurking in women’s bathrooms.

This was a concern expressed by a whole host of groups, religious and non-religious when the discussion took place in the UK a while back

And research went viral showing that children from secular homes are more generous, less prickly and less punitive than children raised under Christian and Muslim parents.

Having read some of this research, I'm not sure that its as conclusive as this makes out.

Anyone who is familiar with the Ten Commandments will immediately recognize that these seven tenets offer an easier path to equanimity than do the famous Ten.

The first of the Ten Commandments—Thou shalt have no other gods before me–asserts the primacy of a single deity rather than the primacy of compassion and empathy.

Perhaps Christians should consider upgrading from a set of 10 Commandments that were written in the Iron Age to a better set. It might do wonders for Christianity’s public image—and for their ability to follow the teachings of Jesus himself.

The fact that the purpose of the the 10 Commandments isn't primarily to do with equanimity and that Jesus' teaching is based on the "primacy of a single deity rather than the primacy of compassion and empathy" - which are understood to come from that deity -  make this last section of the article somewhat of a nonsense.  The author again shows their lack of understanding.

Furthermore, I'm not sure that the 

[OH MY WORLD!]

Sriram,
April fools day falls on April 1st.

[Shaker]

Sriram,
April fools day falls on April 1st.

Happy birthday in advance.

[Red Giant]

Probably the funniest and most inaccurate comment I've ever seen in any discussion about religion. 

But if you read what it actually says, it's perfectly true.

[~TW~]

Hi everyone,

I came across this article today about 7 Satanic precepts that the article claims are better than the Ten Commandments.

http://www.wakingtimes.com/2015/12/23/seven-satanic-precepts-beat-ten-commandments-as-moral-guide/

*****************

Why might members of the Satanic Temple find it easier than Christians to follow some teachings of Jesus? The answer lies in their sacred values and rules.

Many Christians believe that the most dangerous enemy of their religion would be a follower of Satan. But sometimes Christians are their own worst enemy—even with Satanists in the mix.

This fall, Christianity’s brand has been battered, not by Satanists but by the behavior of Christians themselves: Catholic corporations headed to the Supreme Court, trying yet again to prevent women from preventing pregnancy. U.S. Presidential Candidate Ben Carson declared on biblical authority that the Egyptian Pyramids were actually built to store grain. The Mormon hierarchy issued a formal ruling that baptism and temple initiation (including protective undergarments) would be denied to children of gay couples. Christianists in Houston defeated gender equality legislation by whipping up fear of cross-dressing men lurking in women’s bathrooms. And research went viral showing that children from secular homes are more generous, less prickly and less punitive than children raised under Christian and Muslim parents.

The Satanic Temple, which is based in Massachusetts but has approximately 20 chapters across the U.S., lists their seven fundamental tenets as the following:

One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason.

The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.

One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.

The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo your own.

Beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world. We should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit our beliefs.

People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we should do our best to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused.

Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

Anyone who is familiar with the Ten Commandments will immediately recognize that these seven tenets offer an easier path to equanimity than do the famous Ten.

The first of the Ten Commandments—Thou shalt have no other gods before me–asserts the primacy of a single deity rather than the primacy of compassion and empathy.

Perhaps Christians should consider upgrading from a set of 10 Commandments that were written in the Iron Age to a better set. It might do wonders for Christianity’s public image—and for their ability to follow the teachings of Jesus himself.

*******************

Any views?

Sriram

PS: I didn't want to post this on the Christian board on Christmas day!  Not in the spirit of Christmas.

Looking at your post and your comments,your head it seems is full of junk concerning Christianity,no longer comment much here as you all in general give the impression of headless chickens,could you help by telling/define what a christian is. And some advice try to learn about the subject you wish to discuss.

 TW*

[Sebastian Toe]

. And some advice try to learn about the subject you wish to discuss.

 TW*

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Geology?
Palaeontology?
Cosmology?

Oh, the irony!

Hohohohohohohohohohohohohohohohohohohohohohohoho.

[Sriram]

The point is that the label and image are not important. Its the message that is important.  What is called Satan is just another image instead of what some people call God.  How does it matter?

The more universal the message is and the more it integrates different people and different cultures....the better it is.

[Sassy]

Who are the MANY Christians who would believe hat followers of Satan the most dangerous enemy?

Christian Children:-

Raise with hope and with the knowledge they are loved by God and others and that God cares for them.
Wonder where he got the research from well no figures representing how many children were taking part or how chosen.
A very weak and moot point.

Loudly jeering.

Goodness knows it represents nothing but the 15 minute fame and grab of the limelight.
Wanting to do different that will make a stir. Has absolutely no real weight or outlook when it comes to the reality OF True
Christianity. The truth shows that Satan and listening to him placed man where he is today.
The greatest liar and father of all lies is being worshipped. Funny, how the people can be seen as traitors to their own kind
and the true God who made them. One way tickets to hell are not really about love are they?

The encounter occurred during a Washington conflict over prayer after high school football games. Some students thought that if
 Christians got to pray at midfield, others should have the same right,
 and they invited members of the Satanic Temple to their game. That made some Christian students unhappy.

Who placed the idea there in the first instance?
A bit like Satan and Eve, isn't it.

Perhaps Christians should consider upgrading from a set of 10 Commandments that were written in the Iron Age to a better set.
 It might do wonders for Christianity’s public image—and
for their ability to follow the teachings of Jesus himself.

So far I have seen absolutely NOTHING that would make the 10 Commandments less in comparison to Satanic worship and belief.
Are we reading the same article? It seems true love does not follow the way of the evil one who cause mans destruction.
Jesus Christ lead by action. He loved, he healed, he told the truth and he shows God had a plan to rescue us from the
fate of the world brought about by Satan.

The truth is that man in his own strength can do much but he cannot get to heaven or eternal life. Satan relies on himself
and taking as many as he can with him. Christ dies to save people and bring them true love,peace and life
Satan, took everyone down the wrong path to death. Is the people writing the things really aware of true satanism and Christianity?
Appears they have sold their souls for a lie.

It matters not how you look at their 7 values compared to Gods 10 commandments.
The outcome does not change. The 7 leads to death whilst the 10 leads to life.

One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason.
Reason... where was the reason and act when Satan spoke to Eve?
His reason was to destroy what God had created and given to mankind.
So let us have the type of reason it would be in accordance with.

Christ is clear that his reason is to bring man life and back to God.

The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions

Laws and institutions prevailed over. Isn't that what Hitler did. He saw it to be justice to kill the jews and ignore the laws
and institutions?  It isn't as good as people think to believe in the above. It basically places itself about the law and does
not tell us what type of justice they are struggling for. What justice did it leave the jews when they ignored the laws and the
institutions?
God is clear that to offend against his laws results in hurting him and our fellowman. What evil does teachings behind the 7
tenets really hold?

One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.

What about the will of Satan?  Isn't that persons body now on the road to destruction. Against their will because they do not see
lie behind these tenets and their master they now give everything over to...

The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend.
 To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo your own.

Not right is it? The Jews... how was their freedom respected? A concentration camp, a gas chamber and experiments.
Freedom to offend clearly shown and peoples freedom in Austria was forgone to allow the willfull and unjustl exnroachment of the
Nazis to ensure the Jews forgo their own.
Not clever is it when you see the truth behind the thinking.

Beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world.
 We should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit our beliefs.

What scientific understanding of the world. And why scientific. If all the free will baloney about was to be believed.
Then they would not have this tenet to follow because it takes away the freedom to believe whatever we choose.
That is not faith it is becoming a robot.

People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we should do our best to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused.

How can you judge the mistake? How do you rectify and resolve harm a rapist or murderer may have done if tenet 2 is allowed?

Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice
 should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

There is it the free for all... ALL of a sudden you see that when all else fails the written and spoken word goes out of the window
allowing the events of Hitler all over again and the will of the many to be ruled by the fear and beliefs of those few.


Gods laws are summed up in two:

1. Love the LORD your GOD with all your heart mind, body and strength.

If you do this you will always be lead through wisdom, peace and truth.

2. Love your NEIGHBOUR as yourself.
The Lord giving clear direction with the good samaritan.

If you obey those two tenets you will never harm anyone in the way Satan and Hitler did.


What the two/10 commandments do is bring life and peace to mankind. No hidden agenda just the way to know our creator and others properly.
What those 7 tenets of the Satanic cult does it tell you that regardless of the law and beliefs that you can make wrong appear
right and do many evil things in the name of false right and wrong.


They will look and not see...

Christianity does not sell us anything it reveals the truth.
No hidden agenda and nothing which put's self above God and others.
But the 7 satanic tenets allows the many to be hurt by the ignoring of the laws and institutes which protect them.

The Satanic precepts are false and misleading. The commandments of God and the love of God through Christ are plain.
The first is man doing it, his own way and failing. The Commandments is doing it Gods way and succeeding.
Both have an ultimate end.

Gods way leads to life.
Satan leads to death.

[floo]

Dear old Satan can't be any worse than the psychopathic  deity!

[ippy]

Who are the MANY Christians who would believe hat followers of Satan the most dangerous enemy?

Christian Children:-

Raise with hope and with the knowledge they are loved by God and others and that God cares for them.
Wonder where he got the research from well no figures representing how many children were taking part or how chosen.
A very weak and moot point.

Loudly jeering.

Goodness knows it represents nothing but the 15 minute fame and grab of the limelight.
Wanting to do different that will make a stir. Has absolutely no real weight or outlook when it comes to the reality OF True
Christianity. The truth shows that Satan and listening to him placed man where he is today.
The greatest liar and father of all lies is being worshipped. Funny, how the people can be seen as traitors to their own kind
and the true God who made them. One way tickets to hell are not really about love are they?

Who placed the idea there in the first instance?
A bit like Satan and Eve, isn't it.

So far I have seen absolutely NOTHING that would make the 10 Commandments less in comparison to Satanic worship and belief.
Are we reading the same article? It seems true love does not follow the way of the evil one who cause mans destruction.
Jesus Christ lead by action. He loved, he healed, he told the truth and he shows God had a plan to rescue us from the
fate of the world brought about by Satan.

The truth is that man in his own strength can do much but he cannot get to heaven or eternal life. Satan relies on himself
and taking as many as he can with him. Christ dies to save people and bring them true love,peace and life
Satan, took everyone down the wrong path to death. Is the people writing the things really aware of true satanism and Christianity?
Appears they have sold their souls for a lie.

It matters not how you look at their 7 values compared to Gods 10 commandments.
The outcome does not change. The 7 leads to death whilst the 10 leads to life.

One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason.
Reason... where was the reason and act when Satan spoke to Eve?
His reason was to destroy what God had created and given to mankind.
So let us have the type of reason it would be in accordance with.

Christ is clear that his reason is to bring man life and back to God.

The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions

Laws and institutions prevailed over. Isn't that what Hitler did. He saw it to be justice to kill the jews and ignore the laws
and institutions?  It isn't as good as people think to believe in the above. It basically places itself about the law and does
not tell us what type of justice they are struggling for. What justice did it leave the jews when they ignored the laws and the
institutions?
God is clear that to offend against his laws results in hurting him and our fellowman. What evil does teachings behind the 7
tenets really hold?

What about the will of Satan?  Isn't that persons body now on the road to destruction. Against their will because they do not see
lie behind these tenets and their master they now give everything over to...

Not right is it? The Jews... how was their freedom respected? A concentration camp, a gas chamber and experiments.
Freedom to offend clearly shown and peoples freedom in Austria was forgone to allow the willfull and unjustl exnroachment of the
Nazis to ensure the Jews forgo their own.
Not clever is it when you see the truth behind the thinking.

What scientific understanding of the world. And why scientific. If all the free will baloney about was to be believed.
Then they would not have this tenet to follow because it takes away the freedom to believe whatever we choose.
That is not faith it is becoming a robot.

How can you judge the mistake? How do you rectify and resolve harm a rapist or murderer may have done if tenet 2 is allowed?
There is it the free for all... ALL of a sudden you see that when all else fails the written and spoken word goes out of the window
allowing the events of Hitler all over again and the will of the many to be ruled by the fear and beliefs of those few.


Gods laws are summed up in two:

1. Love the LORD your GOD with all your heart mind, body and strength.

If you do this you will always be lead through wisdom, peace and truth.

2. Love your NEIGHBOUR as yourself.
The Lord giving clear direction with the good samaritan.

If you obey those two tenets you will never harm anyone in the way Satan and Hitler did.


What the two/10 commandments do is bring life and peace to mankind. No hidden agenda just the way to know our creator and others properly.
What those 7 tenets of the Satanic cult does it tell you that regardless of the law and beliefs that you can make wrong appear
right and do many evil things in the name of false right and wrong.


They will look and not see...

Christianity does not sell us anything it reveals the truth.
No hidden agenda and nothing which put's self above God and others.
But the 7 satanic tenets allows the many to be hurt by the ignoring of the laws and institutes which protect them.

The Satanic precepts are false and misleading. The commandments of God and the love of God through Christ are plain.
The first is man doing it, his own way and failing. The Commandments is doing it Gods way and succeeding.
Both have an ultimate end.

Gods way leads to life.
Satan leads to death.

Admittedly I read it through quickly but this one has about 26 Sass.

Queen of the assertion.

ippy

[Sassy]

Admittedly I read it through quickly but this one has about 26 Sass.

Queen of the assertion.

ippy

You are the voice of unsubstantiated....
Never able to substantiate claims you make about the writings of others. You lack the knowledge to make a scholarly and educated reply.

[floo]

You are the voice of unsubstantiated....
Never able to substantiate claims you make about the writings of others. You lack the knowledge to make a scholarly and educated reply.

  That is a good one coming from the queen of posts which she can't substantiate!

[Hope]

But if you read what it actually says, it's perfectly true.

In fact, RG, the reason I find it so amusuing is the inaccuracy of so many things that the author writes about Christianity, let alone the 10 Commandments.  I suppose the other emotion it engenders is sadness at the lack of knowledge he exemplifies.

[Hope]

Dear old Satan can't be any worse than the psychopathic  deity!

He probably is but then I and other Christians don't worship Krishna or Hanuman, Shiva or Ram.

[trippymonkey]

You know H, I quite liked you as you weren't as fascistic as some on here but you've just said a very stupid thing of which you know even LESS about than your own faith - I won't use the term truth because there's very little truth IN religion as it's mostly opinion & the mentality of the self server.

Nick

[ippy]

You are the voice of unsubstantiated....
Never able to substantiate claims you make about the writings of others. You lack the knowledge to make a scholarly and educated reply.

When anyone asserts anything it's for the one asserting to supply the evidence that backs up their assertion.

You're the one doing the asserting, I'm not.

So Sass it's for you to supply the necessary; I suspect it'going to be another long silence and perhaps change of the subject, go on, surprise me Sass.

What no evidence? Never mind Sass.

ippy

[ippy]

He probably is but then I and other Christians don't worship Krishna or Hanuman, Shiva or Ram.

You might as well for the difference it'll make.

ippy

[Shaker]

In fact, RG, the reason I find it so amusuing is the inaccuracy of so many things that the author writes about Christianity, let alone the 10 Commandments.  I suppose the other emotion it engenders is sadness at the lack of knowledge he exemplifies.

He?

Unless Valerie has become a unisex name the article was written by a woman - she's a psychologist based in Seattle. Still, speaks volumes about your attention to details.

[Sriram]

He probably is but then I and other Christians don't worship Krishna or Hanuman, Shiva or Ram.

I don't know what you are trying to say....but to Hindus, Satan and Jehovah are just images as much as any of the others. Its all about dharma or righteous duties...and not about what image you worship. 

[trippymonkey]

I don't know what you are trying to say....but to Hindus, Satan and Jehovah are just images as much as any of the others. Its all about dharma or righteous duties...and not about what image you worship.

Sriram-Ji
THIS is precisely WHY I wrote back as I did.
Some here just can't resist the urge to have a go at something they know sod all about.

Nick