Orthodox Rabbinic Statement on Christianity:

[Ricky Spanish]

After nearly two millennia of mutual hostility and alienation, we Orthodox Rabbis who lead communities, institutions and seminaries in Israel, the United States and Europe recognize the historic opportunity now before us.

We seek to do the will of our Father in Heaven by accepting the hand offered to us by our Christian brothers and sisters.

Jews and Christians must work together as partners to address the moral challenges of our era.



http://cjcuc.com/site/2015/12/03/orthodox-rabbinic-statement-on-christianity/

Thoughts?

Truth or Fiction?

[Red Giant]

Historic opportunity created by combining to manufacture a common enemy.

See how long it lasts if the Islamists are defeated.  Or if they aren't.

[Ricky Spanish]

"What we are now witnessing is the undoing of 2,000 years of Jewish rejection and animosity towards Jesus, a miracle by any estimation. For the out-and-out refusal by Jews to accept Jesus is slowly, but surely, coming to an end, as growing numbers of prestigious Orthodox rabbis welcome Jesus back."

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/28027/Default.aspx

What Is the world coming to?

[2Corrie]

..until you say 'Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord'

Amen

[floo]

..until you say 'Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord'

Amen

Another meaningless cliché!

[OH MY WORLD!]

But floo claims to read the Bible every day. Why, if it's so meaningless? (snork)

[trippymonkey]

Some here seem to forget why Jesus was given over to the Romans as a trouble maker in the first place.
He didn't fulfill ALL, not just a few of, the Messiahship.

[ekim]

Thoughts?

Truth or Fiction?

See also Talmidi Judaism .........  http://talmidi.co.il/

[Hope]

Thoughts?

Truth or Fiction?

Whilst there was an element of antagonism between Christians and Jews fairly early in the life of the Church - there was a lot of working together.  For instance, the Christians, Jews (and Muslims) lived comfortably alongside each other in Palestine for centuries until the Zionists arrived in the lat 19th century.  The real persecution of the Jews by the church didn't start until the late 1st millennium.  So, why shouldn't it happen?  After all, the early church was largely Jewish.

[Hope]

Some here seem to forget why Jesus was given over to the Romans as a trouble maker in the first place.
He didn't fulfill ALL, not just a few of, the Messiahship.

Clearly several Jews, including a few pretty prestigious ones, believed that he did fulfill all of them. 

[floo]

Clearly several Jews, including a few pretty prestigious ones, believed that he did fulfill all of them.

But the vast majority of Jew are still looking for their 'messiah', so Jesus didn't make that big an impact, in that respect. 

[ad_orientem]

But the vast majority of Jew are still looking for their 'messiah', so Jesus didn't make that big an impact, in that respect.

You mean the spiritual descendants of Annas and Caiaphas, the reason they do not see being because they have a veil upon their hearts.

[Hope]

You mean the spiritual descendants of Annas and Caiaphas, the reason they do not see being because they have a veil upon their hearts.

I like the fancy vocabulary, ad-o, but it doesn't really help in this kind of situation.  I think one has to remember that the concept of Messiah changed from what it had originally been - namely a spiritual saviour - to a political/military idea sometime in the last 2-300 years of the era before Christ - either under the Seleucids or - more likely, in the time prior to the Hasmoneans, a time when the Jews were prohibited from practicing Judaism and their Temple was desecrated as part of an effort to impose Greek-oriented culture and customs on the entire population.

Hence the relative popularity of the Zealot groups and the appearance of several militaristic and political 'Messiahs' such as Barabbas.

[Hope]

This passage from wikipedia indicates that there was a change in understanding of the term Messiah around about the time the Seleucids took the Jewish throne and the Hasmoneans lost it.

In Judaism, messiah (Hebrew: מָשִׁיחַ‎; mashiach, mashiah, moshiach or moshiah, "anointed [one]") originally meant a divinely appointed king or "anointed one" and included Jewish priests, prophets and kings such as David, Cyrus the Great [1] or Alexander the Great.[2] Later, especially after the failure of the Hasmonean Kingdom (37 BCE) and the Jewish–Roman wars (66–135 CE), the figure of the Jewish Messiah was one who would deliver the Jews from oppression and usher in an Olam HaBa ("world to come") or Messianic Age.

Some people were looking forward to a military leader who would defeat the Seleucid or Roman enemies and establish an independent Jewish kingdom. Others, like the author of the Psalms of Solomon, stated that the Messiah was a charismatic teacher who would give the correct interpretation of Mosaic law, restore Israel, and judge mankind.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Messiah_claimants#List_of_Jewish_messiah_claimants

This indicates that the militaristic idea of a Messiah did not exist prior to the third century, which is what I've pointed out on a number of occasions.  The fact that the term originally referred to priests, kings and the like - within the context of a theocracy like Israel - indiactes something beyond merely monarchical or political.

[Brownie]

Where there are two Jews there are three opinions!  Jews say that.  The statement is one person's conclusion but, on the whole, in our times, Jews and Christians rub along fine.  The Church has learned its lesson from past atrocities and no-one takes a lot of notice if another person - neighbour or colleague - is Jewish (has to be said that in London no-one took much notice of anyone of another faith or another race until relatively recent times).  The ultra-orthodox such as Haredi and Chassidic are distinctive because of their dress and they tend to live alongside others of the same persuasion but when they step out or we step in, we all get on OK.  We're fellow human beings after all.

[jeremyp]

This passage from wikipedia indicates that there was a change in understanding of the term Messiah around about the time the Seleucids took the Jewish throne and the Hasmoneans lost it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Messiah_claimants#List_of_Jewish_messiah_claimants

This indicates that the militaristic idea of a Messiah did not exist prior to the third century, which is what I've pointed out on a number of occasions.  The fact that the term originally referred to priests, kings and the like - within the context of a theocracy like Israel - indiactes something beyond merely monarchical or political.

Nor does it indicate "mythical godman", it indicates "earthly leader anointed".

[Nearly Sane]

Where there are two Jews there are three opinions!  Jews say that.  The statement is one person's conclusion but, on the whole, in our times, Jews and Christians rub along fine.  The Church has learned its lesson from past atrocities and no-one takes a lot of notice if another person - neighbour or colleague - is Jewish (has to be said that in London no-one took much notice of anyone of another faith or another race until relatively recent times).  The ultra-orthodox such as Haredi and Chassidic are distinctive because of their dress and they tend to live alongside others of the same persuasion but when they step out or we step in, we all get on OK.  We're fellow human beings after all.

'Our times'? Excludes the last 80 years?

[Hope]

Nor does it indicate "mythical godman", it indicates "earthly leader anointed".

But nor does it indicate that God would not return.

[jeremyp]

But nor does it indicate that God would not return.

Nor does it indicate he would not be wearing pink pyjamas or any one of an infinitude of negative assertions.

[Brownie]

'Our times'? Excludes the last 80 years?

Recent times, for example in my lfetime (66 years).

[Owlswing]

'Our times'? Excludes the last 80 years?

Are you sure that you are not mixing up "Jews and Christians" and "Jews and Muslims" or Jews and Palistinians".

On the whole there has been little real "fighting" between Jews and Christians over the last 80 years.