Author Topic: Gideon's Bibles (Read 27546 times)

jeremyp · « **on:** January 03, 2016, 03:57:44 PM »

A hotel in Berlin has a better idea

https://twitter.com/MMFlint/status/682693622341439492/photo/1

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #1 on:** January 03, 2016, 04:31:08 PM »

Quote from: jeremyp on January 03, 2016, 03:57:44 PM

A hotel in Berlin has a better idea

https://twitter.com/MMFlint/status/682693622341439492/photo/1

Phew for a moment I thought it was going to be The God Delusion.

Hope · « **Reply #2 on:** January 03, 2016, 07:27:43 PM »

"Yet to be fair, sacredness of human life was eventually known to the men who brought you that declaration was because of the bible."

A very telling comment from one of the tweeters. Slightly lacking in grammatical accuracy, mind, but still a very true statement.

jeremyp · « **Reply #3 on:** January 03, 2016, 07:29:42 PM »

Quote from: Hope on January 03, 2016, 07:27:43 PM

"Yet to be fair, sacredness of human life was eventually known to the men who brought you that declaration was because of the bible."

A very telling comment from one of the tweeters. Slightly lacking in grammatical accuracy, mind, but still a very true statement.

The Bible doesn't give the impression that human life is sacred.

Hope · « **Reply #4 on:** January 03, 2016, 07:31:23 PM »

Quote from: jeremyp on January 03, 2016, 07:29:42 PM

The Bible doesn't give the impression that human life is scared.

No it doesn't, but it does teach that it is sacred, j

jeremyp · « **Reply #5 on:** January 03, 2016, 07:51:57 PM »

Quote from: Hope on January 03, 2016, 07:31:23 PM

No it doesn't, but it does teach that it is sacred, j

No it doesn't. It teaches that human life can be destroyed for almost any reason as long as God approves.

Rhiannon · « **Reply #6 on:** January 04, 2016, 09:20:48 AM »

When I was at school Gideon's presented all Yr 7 pupils with a special edition of the NIV NT with a suggested selection of readings for teenagers. Needless to say, it included those from Paul on homosexuality.

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jeremyp · « **Reply #7 on:** January 04, 2016, 09:26:25 AM »

Quote from: Rhiannon on January 04, 2016, 09:20:48 AM

When I was at school Gideon's presented all Yr 7 pupils with a special edition of the NIV NT with a suggested selection of readings for teenagers. Needless to say, it included those from Paul on homosexuality.

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Ditto

Imagine if some Muslims came in and handed out copies of the Koran.

Shaker · « **Reply #8 on:** January 04, 2016, 02:51:08 PM »

Quote from: jeremyp on January 04, 2016, 09:26:25 AM

Ditto

Yup, same.

Hope · « **Reply #9 on:** January 04, 2016, 04:17:15 PM »

Quote from: Rhiannon on January 04, 2016, 09:20:48 AM

When I was at school Gideon's presented all Yr 7 pupils with a special edition of the NIV NT with a suggested selection of readings for teenagers. Needless to say, it included those from Paul on homosexuality.

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Would you expect the Declaration of Human Rights to be shorn of its references to education and girls if it was being handed out in a Muslim area?

Shaker · « **Reply #10 on:** January 04, 2016, 04:19:42 PM »

Quote from: Hope on January 04, 2016, 04:17:15 PM

Would you expect the Declaration of Human Rights to be shorn of its references to education and girls if it was being handed out in a Muslim area?

The UDHR is about breadth and inclusion (all girls everywhere should have the right to a decent education), not discrimination and ugly and poisonous bigotry based on ignorant and toxic ideas (no point educating girls - they're only girls).

jeremyp · « **Reply #11 on:** January 05, 2016, 07:58:11 AM »

Quote from: Hope on January 04, 2016, 04:17:15 PM

Would you expect the Declaration of Human Rights to be shorn of its references to education and girls if it was being handed out in a Muslim area?

Of course not, nor would I ask that the Bible be shorn of its bigotry, I'd just ask that it shouldn't be handed out.

ippy · « **Reply #12 on:** January 05, 2016, 02:24:08 PM »

Quote from: Rose on January 05, 2016, 07:59:37 AM

I think the worst thing about the Gideons handing out the bibles, was the fact that they made children ( by pressurising them ) into promising to read a. Section everyday.

It's that, I never liked. ( most children don't like the idea of refusing in front of their peers and adults) it isn't fair to make children make promises they are not going to keep and don't want to make in the first place.

I have one, which I was presented with at a young age ( primary, junior).

The Gideons are also very sexist and refuse to accept women preaching in any way.

I'd have been quite happy to have received a copy of all the holy books ( of various religions ) , provided no promises were extracted from youngsters.

I'd have loved to have had a copy of the Koran ....... Or anything which told me what others believe.

I don't have an issue with handing out holy books just the promises and the rest of it that go with them.

Have you noticed Rose, if you put these books in the bin in the hotel room it gets replaced, you have to take them to a bin outside of the hotel to really get rid of them.

Ippy

SqueakyVoice · « **Reply #13 on:** January 05, 2016, 03:23:45 PM »

Quote from: ippy on January 05, 2016, 02:24:08 PM

Have you noticed Rose, if you put these books in the bin in the hotel room it gets replaced, you have to take them to a bin outside of the hotel to really get rid of them.

Ippy

Or take it down to reception and tell them someone has left their book in your room and could they put it in lost property.

Hope · « **Reply #14 on:** January 05, 2016, 03:25:00 PM »

Quote from: ippy on January 05, 2016, 02:24:08 PM

Have you noticed Rose, if you put these books in the bin in the hotel room it gets replaced, you have to take them to a bin outside of the hotel to really get rid of them.

Ippy

ippy, taking them to a bin outside the hotel doesn't work either. Most hotels have an arrangement with Gideons that they can come in and replace the bibles that have been taken (and many do get taken) or thrown away, on a regular basis.

Hope · « **Reply #15 on:** January 05, 2016, 03:26:33 PM »

Quote from: SqueakyVoice on January 05, 2016, 03:23:45 PM

Or take it down to reception and tell them someone has left their book in your room and could they put it in lost property.

Again, this falls down because the Bibles have a message along the lines of 'This Bible has been donated by the Gideons' printed on the cover, or on one of the very first few pages.

Hope · « **Reply #16 on:** January 05, 2016, 03:31:06 PM »

Quote from: jeremyp on January 05, 2016, 07:58:11 AM

Of course not, nor would I ask that the Bible be shorn of its bigotry, I'd just ask that it shouldn't be handed out.

It appears that a number of people have found such a Bible at a time that they have been in mental turmoil, perhaps even considering suicide and - having read some of the passages and (in some cases larger chunks) - have found peace of mind, and rethought their future intentions. I'm not saying that they have become believers, but I'd have thought that one person stopped from committing suicide or some other detrimental act is a good enough reason for thm to be available in hotel rooms. People are, after all, within their rights to ignore them.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #17 on:** January 05, 2016, 03:35:18 PM »

Quote from: Hope on January 05, 2016, 03:31:06 PM

It appears that a number of people have found such a Bible at a time that they have been in mental turmoil, perhaps even considering suicide and - having read some of the passages and (in some cases larger chunks) - have found peace of mind, and rethought their future intentions. I'm not saying that they have become believers, but I'd have thought that one person stopped from committing suicide or some other detrimental act is a good enough reason for thm to be available in hotel rooms. People are, after all, within their rights to ignore them.

If one person might be saved by good pornography, then that should be there as well?