Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Eh? What the hell does some hillbilly Billy-Bob's heretical rebaptism sect got to do with any of this?

Yes, why is he choosing a very small group to represent the whole.......most unscientific.

[Rhiannon]

On the state tv it was north african and middle eastern men in Finland. But don't worry. Just keep burying your head in the sand while they keep on raping our women.

Your women? You and the other men of Europe own us? Hasn't it occurred to you that this concept of owning women - individually and collectively - is part of the problem?

[ad_orientem]

Your women? You and the other men of Europe own us? Hasn't it occurred to you that this concept of owning women - individually and collectively - is part of the problem?

Who said anything about ownership? You're deflecting because you don't want to admit the problem.

[Rhiannon]

Who said anything about ownership? You're deflecting because you don't want to admit the problem.

'Our women', ad-o. Your words.

As it happens I live not that far from Bassingbourn barracks. This is a direct quote from the BBC report on the risk assessment carried out by the MoD into having cadets in the area.

The pre-training security report pointed to "widespread" sexual violence during the period of conflict in Libya, and added there was "some evidence that it is a significant domestic problem which could be reinforced by cultural attitudes and entrenched by a lack of justice for those affected and for perpetrators".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-30622867

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-32687137

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-32781117

But sexual violence doesn't just mean raping women.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-32749555

[floo]

The racist tone of tis thread is disgusting!

[ad_orientem]

The racist tone of tis thread is disgusting!

I never knew facts were racist. Keep on deflecting.

[Rhiannon]

I never knew facts were racist. Keep on deflecting.

The fact is that most women are raped by someone they know.

[JP]

In the context of the post, I would say "our" was more of about association with, not ownership.

I see we are at racist already I was wondering how long it would take.

[ad_orientem]

The fact is that most women are raped by someone they know.

That may be so but that's not the point. The point is the risk certain groups of people pose. Some pose more of a risk. In this case men from the Middle-East and North Africa are many times more likely to commit rape than Europeans. Do you feel comfortable with that? Now there are women who are scared to walk alone at night, especially if they are near a refugee reception centre. There have already been a number of rapes here committed by refugees in the past few months.

[ad_orientem]

In the context of the post, I would say "our" was more of about association with, not ownership.

Exactly!

I see we are at racist already I was wondering how long it would take.

Indeed. Heaven forbid that some people from some areas are more likely to commit rape. Let's just deny it instead.

[JP]

What are the racist Norwegians thinking of, apparantly (treading on eggshells to try and please everyone) they are running courses for immigrants on "How to treat women"

Let me post a few soundbites

SANDNES, Norway — When he first arrived in Europe, Abdu Osman Kelifa, a Muslim asylum seeker from the Horn of Africa, was shocked to see women in skimpy clothes drinking alcohol and kissing in public. Back home, he said, only prostitutes do that, and in locally made movies couples “only hug but never kiss.”

Confused, Mr. Kelifa volunteered to take part in a pioneering and, in some quarters, controversial program that seeks to prevent sexual and other violence by helping male immigrants from societies that are largely segregated or in which women show neither flesh nor public affection to adapt to more open European societies.

Many refugees “come from cultures that are not gender equal and where women are the property of men,” Mr. Isdal said. “We have to help them adapt to their new culture.”

“Men have weaknesses and when they see someone smiling it is difficult to control,” Mr. Kelifa said, explaining that in his own country, Eritrea, “if someone wants a lady he can just take her and he will not be punished,” at least not by the police.

And something I agree with

“The biggest danger for everyone is silence,”

http://tinyurl.com/qgu4jkz

[Rhiannon]

I find the naivety of anyone who thought that there wasn't going to be a cultural problem with regards to alcohol, sex and men from conservative areas of conflict baffling. But before we pat ourselves on the back for our cultural superiority let's not forget that young British people need lessons on what is consent and what isn't in school classrooms because our culture is so rubbish at making that clear.

[Jack Knave]

What are the racist Norwegians thinking of, apparantly (treading on eggshells to try and please everyone) they are running courses for immigrants on "How to treat women"

Let me post a few soundbites

And something I agree with

http://tinyurl.com/qgu4jkz

Haven't these people got access to the internet, they must know our culture by now?

[wigginhall]

Your women? You and the other men of Europe own us? Hasn't it occurred to you that this concept of owning women - individually and collectively - is part of the problem?

Yes, I had to laugh when I read the 'our'.   Our pure Aryan women, unsullied by the darkies, and only to be raped by (our) white men!

[Jack Knave]

We had a similar problem here in Britain with some Libyan guys who were being trained to be part of a Libyan army force. These people are animals and our politicians have been absolute idiots to have allowed them in.

[ad_orientem]

Yes, I had to laugh when I read the 'our'.   Our pure Aryan women, unsullied by the darkies, and only to be raped by (our) white men!

Don't be a dickhead all your life. The point isn't that European men don't rape European women or that it sn't just as serious. The point is which are more likely to commit rape and if such are coming from outside is it wise to let them in in the first place. This is just one reason why we should be halting the flow of Muslims into Europe.

[ad_orientem]

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2015/12/07/finland-rape-epidemic-by-muslim-migrants-is-only-one-reason-why-finns-dont-want-more-muslim-refugees-the-majority-of-whom-are-military-age-men/

[OH MY WORLD!]

OUR women, OUR men, OUR children! Cry me a river, stop trying to invent an offence where non exists. A few here will try anything to misrepresent another and attempt to create a sexist monster. Pathetic!


https://helpingourwomen.org/

http://our-women.blogspot.ca/

"For our women"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMO2ls3c6yE

"Mind our men"
http://www.mindourmen.ie/

Our daughters
http://savingourdaughters.org/

[Sassy]

So you don't think some men will bring there rape culture with them to Europe Sass? I know they will. There has been honour killings in my country carried out by immigrants. Yes violence against women is home grown as well. And I have had a link to a song about that on each of my posts for some time. You may not like the music but listen to the story, the lyrics.

Where did I say that OMW?

European men won't stand for that type of thing.

Tell me something OMW, what is your country?
Then ask yourself, if you like music and what this tells you?

http://www.religionethics.co.uk/index.php?topic=177.0;topicseen

I know something affects the posts you write. I daresay if you come from a country where there have been honour killings and violence against women then your views originate from horror history witnessed.

I will take a look later at your cited music video. But have to get son to college right now. Take care.

Sass.x

[Owlswing]

From Yahoo today:

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/police-report-describes-cologne-attacks-mayhem-004129176.html

I am more inclined to believe this than some report from several hundrerd miles away in Finland.

It is still an horrendous situation that should not be allowed to continue and, I think, Germany is more likely to take a hard line than the  U K in the same circunstances.

[ad_orientem]

"Hundreds of miles away" is an odd reason to doubt. Nevermind. It's attitudes like yours that make it easier for these people to attack women.

[Shaker]

Pretty sure that it's not Owl's attitudes that make violent misogynist dickwads attack wonen.

[OH MY WORLD!]

I read that a couple of asylum seekers have been arrested in Kalmar for doing what those 18 asylum seekers did in Germany.


Sass,
The two honour killings here, that got the most headlines, involved families from Afghanistan and India.

Be warned, what the father says about the daughters he killed is horrible to the extreme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYBzZ-LRtTA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xELjoT-lf3Y

[OH MY WORLD!]

Shaker,
You are absolutely correct, Matty doesn't hold that kinda impact.
  It sure doesn't help to stop violence against women when there are so many low-informed lefties denying a rape culture coming with some asylum seeking men. There is a problem Shaker. 18 are asylum seekers in the case in Germany. A couple in Kalmar and I think more cases are going to pop up. There is a Middle Eastern rape culture.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-13777308

[ad_orientem]

Pretty sure that it's not Owl's attitudes that make violent misogynist dickwads attack wonen.

No, not "make them" but "make it easier". We are reaping the fruit the multiculturalists have sown. They are creating a Muslim Europe where women are afraid to walk the streets alone.