Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women

[Hope]

So you don't think some men will bring there rape culture with them to Europe Sass? I know they will. There has been honour killings in my country carried out by immigrants. Yes violence against women is home grown as well. And I have had a link to a song about that on each of my posts for some time. You may not like the music but listen to the story, the lyrics.

JC, there have been honour kiilings carried out in the UK, some by immigrants, some by indigenous people.  Not sure that there is any more a 'culture' of rape in the Middle East than anywhere else.

[Hope]

As it happens I live not that far from Bassingbourn barracks. This is a direct quote from the BBC report on the risk assessment carried out by the MoD into having cadets in the area.

The pre-training security report pointed to "widespread" sexual violence during the period of conflict in Libya, and added there was "some evidence that it is a significant domestic problem which could be reinforced by cultural attitudes and entrenched by a lack of justice for those affected and for perpetrators".

Note the context, Rhi - "The pre-training security report pointed to "widespread" sexual violence during the period of conflict in Libya, ..."  I think you will find that 'widespread sexual violence' is a marker of war and conflict across the world.  It is used as a means of subjugating the defeated people.

[Owlswing]

No, not "make them" but "make it easier". We are reaping the fruit the multiculturalists have sown. They are creating a Muslim Europe where women are afraid to walk the streets alone.

I suggest that you ask your mate JC to send his memory back to his comments when I complained about the fact that where I live it is possible to go for days without hearing English spoken.

In his opinion I am an unrepentant racist - as it happens I am one of those who regrets the fact that identifying oneself as "English" is to attract unending abuse from those of Middle Eastern origin who consider that to identify oneself as English is offensive to Islam!

In the area where I am entitled to vote for local councillors there is not one councillor who is of anything but Indian origin.

Take your "multicultural" accusations and shove them where the sun don't shine!
 

[Sassy]

"Hundreds of miles away" is an odd reason to doubt. Nevermind. It's attitudes like yours that make it easier for these people to attack women.

Whereas men are still turning a blind eye to attacks of women when it comes to government cover ups.

I think the minister has it right. Deport those committing criminal offenses. Especially those which are physical attacks on men, women and children.

[Bubbles]

It sounds awful

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/12090388/Europe-in-crisis-over-sex-attacks-by-migrants-amid-calls-for-emergency-EU-meeting.html

The danger is that people will attack back, feeling they are being overwhelmed and they will hurt innocent people in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I don't know how they are going to resolve it, because the issue deep down is that there are too many of them and they are having to big an impact on the identity of the people in the areas they have moved into.

If they let it get out of hand it's going to be extremely unpleasant.

We don't want another holocaust.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

The racist tone of tis thread is disgusting!

Yes. But then Eminent antitheists have no problem extrapolating the behaviour of a few Christians to the entirety of Christianity.

[Hope]

I think the minister has it right. Deport those committing criminal offenses. Especially those which are physical attacks on men, women and children.

Unfortunately, there is a UN directive (is that the right word?) that states that one can'y make someone stateless.  Remembering that 'only' "over half" of those involved in the Cologne events where asylum seekers/immigrants, Germany would be breaking this directive if they were to deport their own citizens.  Furthermore, by fleeing their own homelands many of the asylum seekers are effectively stateless.

[JP]

I see that after sitting on the assaults for a week before it was reported in the media, originally playing it down and taking no action on the night by way of arresting anyone or stopping it before admitting it was much worse than what they iriginally said, the Germans have managed to wheel out lots of police with water cannon and tear gas for protestors.

On the original topic, I am of the opinion the events in Cologne at new year were culturally the norm for these people

Saira Khan.......

Not addressing this profound clash of cultures only promises to make things worse.

Having grown up in an Asian Muslim household and community in Britain, I can recognise the symptoms all too clearly. Along with my female Asian friends, I saw Asian men ‘get away with murder’, while as girls, we were strictly controlled – what we said, who we said it to, where we went, what we wore, who we married. As women, our conduct, behaviour and reputation all had a bearing on the family’s ‘honour’ – and to dishonour the family could mean death.

The Asian culture I grew up in was misogynistic – and it still is.

Here in the West, we need to stop burying our heads in the sand and accept that Asian, Arab and African men grow up in societies where misogyny is the cultural norm. We need to talk about it so we can change it.

http://tinyurl.com/hl9mf5c

[Nearly Sane]

This seems like a good summation of the issues.


http://m.spiegel.de/international/germany/a-1071175.html#spRedirectedFrom=www&referrrer=

[wigginhall]

Good to see the racists and neo-Nazis defending women's rights!  Presumably, we will be seeing them on the next march against sexual violence against women in Germany, which is shockingly high.   Oh, but hang on, that's violence by white men against white women - sorry, not interested.

[JP]

This seems like a good summation of the issues.


http://m.spiegel.de/international/germany/a-1071175.html#spRedirectedFrom=www&referrrer=

Pretty balanced piece

[JP]

Good to see the racists and neo-Nazis defending women's rights!  Presumably, we will be seeing them on the next march against sexual violence against women in Germany, which is shockingly high.   Oh, but hang on, that's violence by white men against white women - sorry, not interested.

You seem to hold the victims of this in some contempt?

Have you any thoughts on those who believe there is a cultural mis-match.

[Nearly Sane]

You seem to hold the victims of this in some contempt?

Have you any thoughts on those who believe there is a cultural mis-match.

Where in wigginhall's post is there anything to allow the inference that he holds the victims in contempt?

[JP]

Obliquely #16 "pristine white women" plus in my opinion it seems for him to be a non crime.

[Udayana]

I see that after sitting on the assaults for a week before it was reported in the media, originally playing it down and taking no action on the night by way of arresting anyone or stopping it before admitting it was much worse than what they iriginally said, the Germans have managed to wheel out lots of police with water cannon and tear gas for protestors.

On the original topic, I am of the opinion the events in Cologne at new year were culturally the norm for these people

Saira Khan.......


http://tinyurl.com/hl9mf5c

Danger of swinging too far the other way. No doubt many men, Asian, Arab, African or not, grow up in misogynistic cultures and adopt unacceptable ways, but many others are perfectly fair and reasonable.

[Nearly Sane]

Obliquely #16 "pristine white women" plus in my opinion it seems for him to be a non crime.

If by obliquely, you mean in no way other than in your feverish imagination, then that would at least be an internally consistent opinion.

[JP]

If by obliquely, you mean in no way other than in your feverish imagination, then that would at least be an internally consistent opinion.

Feverish imagination - I like it, I must use that as an alternative to opinion.

[JP]

Danger of swinging too far the other way. No doubt many men, Asian, Arab, African or not, grow up in misogynistic cultures and adopt unacceptable ways, but many others are perfectly fair and reasonable.

Although given her background she is well placed to have that opinion, it is probably just her feverish imagination.

[JP]

From Sky,

Sexual harassment in Egypt become so widespread that some businesses are finding unique ways to tackle the crisis.

Ninety-nine percent of Egyptian women say they've been harassed, according to a 2013 UN study, and much of this physical and verbal harassment happens on public transport.

Mai says she has complained to local police on the street about harassers but rather than help, the officers often mock her.

While some have taken steps to help women get around more safely, the reality is Egypt has a serious problem with sexual harassment, with deep roots in society.

Successive governments have ignored the problem, and it's become unbearably normal here.

For those fighting this societal disease, the only way forward is education and legislation - but it may take generations to fully cure.

I bet if you asked 100 women in a big UK city they had been sexually harrased on public transport, those who said yes would be nowhere near 99%.

Importing this into Europe must have consequences that need to be faced up to, in my opinion (feverish imagination).

http://tinyurl.com/ha5kvzx

[ad_orientem]

Where in wigginhall's post is there anything to allow the inference that he holds the victims in contempt?

Maybe he does maybe he doesn't but he seems to be in denial concerning refugees' attitudes concerning women, or just because some men of European origin have attacked European women we have no right to be concerned about an influx of people from North Africa and the Middle-East who are many more times likely to attack women. He seems to have fallen into some sort of fallacy and denial. Nevermind! Keep the multicultural dream alive man! Europe is being destroyed bit by bit.

[Hope]

Europe is being destroyed bit by bit.

And has been being destroyed long before there was ever a migrant issue.  That's not to suuggest that there isn't a migrant issue; just that that issue is very recent - whereas the Bader Meinhof Group and others like it go way back.

[Nearly Sane]

And has been being destroyed long before there was ever a migrant issue.  That's not to suuggest that there isn't a migrant issue; just that that issue is very recent - whereas the Bader Meinhof Group and others like it go way back.

And that 'destroyed' Europe in what way?

[ad_orientem]

And has been being destroyed long before there was ever a migrant issue.  That's not to suuggest that there isn't a migrant issue; just that that issue is very recent - whereas the Bader Meinhof Group and others like it go way back.

Europe has been going downhill ever since the Reformation but it's gone into overdrive now with the migrant crisis and anti-Christian powers.

[Shaker]

Europe has been going downhill ever since the Reformation but it's gone into overdrive now with the migrant crisis and anti-Christian powers.

Nurse, he's not only out of bed again, he's escaped from the clinic altogether.

[Nearly Sane]

Europe has been going downhill ever since the Reformation but it's gone into overdrive now with the migrant crisis and anti-Christian powers.

This is downhill defined by someone that thinks treating women as property, as was true then, is obviously correct.

Attitudes like your's are what feeds the assaults in Cologne.