Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women

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This is downhill defined by someone that thinks treating women as property, as was true then, is obviously correct.

Nope. But let me correct myself. The West started going downhill at or around the time of Charlemagne, who was a dick.

Attitudes like your's are what feeds the assaults in Cologne.

No.

[Shaker]

Yes. And they assuredly feed anti-Semitism and the typical Christian arrogance of thinking that other people already with or without a religion need to be converted so that they believe what you believe.

It's as though in what passes for your mind it's still 1452 - even the idiotic language you use ('The Turk' to mean Muslims) reeks of mediaevalism. It's a wonder we haven't had 'The Jew' by now.

[Nearly Sane]

Nope. But let me correct myself. The West started going downhill at or around the time of Charlemagne, who was a dick.


No.

And at the time of Charlemagne, women were treated as property too. So yes, your idea that your ability to treat women as property or indeed rape them as sanctioned by your god of filth and squalor in the OT, is precisely the sort of attitude about women that leads to the outage in Cologne.

[Shaker]

Obliquely #16 "pristine white women" plus in my opinion it seems for him to be a non crime.

Are you American? I ask only because you seem to be utterly tone-deaf to sarcasm.

[ad_orientem]

Eh? It really seems to irk you that someone might think you or anyone else needs to convert in order to be saved. Afraid that it might actually happen? Nevermind. Sit back and watch Europe slowly become Muslim. Sit back and watch them behead the infidels and ravage our wives and daughters.

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And at the time of Charlemagne, women were treated as property too. So yes, your idea that your ability to treat women as property or indeed rape them as sanctioned by your god of filth and squalor in the OT, is precisely the sort of attitude about women that leads to the outage in Cologne.

Are you on drugs? Where did I say say women are property? That I believe they are not is precisely why (or rather one of many reasons) I believe we shouldn't be letting in Muslims along with their rape culture into Europe.

[Nearly Sane]

Eh? It really seems to irk you that someone might think you or anyone else needs to convert in order to be saved. Afraid that it might actually happen? Nevermind. Sit back and watch Europe slowly become Muslim. Sit back and watch them behead the infidels and ravage our wives and daughters.

No it irks me that not only do you speak of possession in the term 'our' but that you actually espouse it by harking back to a time when women were posessions as an ideal. It irks me that you tout the same medieval attitude as those you seek to blame. It irks me that your hypocrisy has supported the abuse of women and continues to do so

[Nearly Sane]

Are you on drugs? Where did I say say women are property? That I believe they are not is precisely why (or rather one of many reasons) I believe we shouldn't be letting in Muslims along with their rape culture into Europe.

You are the one lauding times when women were treated as property, in both Pre Reformation and now the times of Charlemagne.

[Shaker]

Eh? It really seems to irk you that someone might think you or anyone else needs to convert in order to be saved. Afraid that it might actually happen?

Not in the slightest - it irks me because it's an ugly, ignorant and arrogant attitude which has caused an incalculable amount of misery and suffering.

Nevermind. Sit back and watch Europe slowly become Muslim. Sit back and watch them behead the infidels and ravage our wives and daughters.

You clearly don't mind coming across as utterly unhinged.

[ad_orientem]

No it irks me that not only do you speak of possession in the term 'our' but that you actually espouse it by harking back to a time when women were possessions as an ideal. It irks me that you tout the same medieval attitude as those you seek to blame. It irks me that your hypocrisy has supported the abuse of women and continues to do so

My hyprocrisy? Now I really do know that you and Shaker are on drugs. Saying that Europe started going downhill at a certain time doesn't mean I want to go back to that time, only that Europe needs to recover the faith of that time. Two different things. It's people like you who are responsible for the the current crisis.

[Shaker]

My hyprocrisy? Now I really do know that you and Shaker are on drugs. Saying that Europe started going downhill at a certain time doesn't mean I want to go back to that time, only that Europe needs to recover the faith of that time.

Because that has always made things better, hasn't it?

[Nearly Sane]

My hyprocrisy? Now I really do know that you and Shaker are on drugs. Saying that Europe started going downhill at a certain time doesn't mean I want to go back to that time, only that Europe needs to recover the faith of that time. Two different things. It's people like you who are responsible for the the current crisis.

So, it was good apart from the things backed up by being a theocracy that tie in with those who also want a theocracy based on the same teaching (which include in the OT, your god sanctioning rape)? 

But it is all us atheists that make you theocracy lot behave badly?

The only drug I have here is logic, I know you thi it is an invention of a demon created by an all powerful, omniscient 'god' but I suggest you try it.

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So, it was good apart from the things backed up by being a theocracy that tie in with those who also want a theocracy based on the same teaching (which include in the OT, your god sanctioning rape)? 

But it is all us atheists that make you theocracy lot behave badly?

The only drug I have here is logic, I know you thi it is an invention of a demon created by an all powerful, omniscient 'god' but I suggest you try it.

You do not have logic. If you did then you wouldn't reject your creator. The West, however, isn't a very good example of anything. The Roman Empire in the East was a much better example.

[JP]

Are you American? I ask only because you seem to be utterly tone-deaf to sarcasm.

No, I get sarcasm but, oh yes there's a but, but I want to see what opinion people have  about this. Just mocking darkies or pristine white women when it has been a seismic incident in Germany doesn't cut it for me, nor does deflecting it onto ancient Christianity or racists, or blaming the women themselves, sarcastically or not.

The Germans described it as "a completely new dimension of crime" and there has been over 500 criminal complaints 40% of which allege sexual assault.

They have also said "The men suspected of attacking women in Cologne on New Year's Eve were "almost exclusively" from a migration background, mainly North African Arab yet people concentrate on whiteys and white people do crime as well.

[Shaker]

No, I get sarcasm but, oh yes there's a but, but I want to see what opinion people have  about this. Just mocking darkies or pristine white women when it has been a seismic incident in Germany doesn't cut it for me, nor does deflecting it onto ancient Christianity or racists, or blaming the women themselves, sarcastically or not.

None of those things actually occurred. You don't get sarcasm after all, obviously.

[JP]

None of what things?

[Nearly Sane]

You do not have logic. If you did then you wouldn't reject your creator. The West, however, isn't a very good example of anything. The Roman Empire in the East was a much better example.

Indeed it was, though it's sort of like saying the Yorkshire Ripper is better than Harold Shipman. The Byzantine Empire followed some fairly precise views on patrician women's rights that followed from pre Christian Rome. But they focussed on those in patrician positions are not Christian. For those in serf positions any rights were male based, and for those in elite positions the rights were not Christian based.


So tell me, what part of a thousand years or whatever do you want to return to? And how does that with its no democracy, serfdom, no women's rights, oppression of the poor, women, homosexuals, work out as some ideal?

[Shaker]

None of what things?

Wigginhall mocking darkies or pristine white women.

[JP]

Sarcasm is a form of mocking or ridiciule

[JP]

I see we are on about how bad Christianity is now.

[Nearly Sane]

I see we are on about how bad Christianity is now.

where?

[JP]

I might add religion has not been mentioned by me, it has been about cultural differences.

[Shaker]

Sarcasm is a form of mocking or ridiciule

Yes it is - but not necessarily mocking or ridicule of what's contained in the statement, as in this case. Wigginhall wasn't mocking or ridiculing victims of sexual assault; he was mocking and ridiculing the absurdly hysterical reaction of some to these incidents, individuals like ad_o who think that it spells the leading edge of a horde of swarthy ragheads swarming over here to ravish our ladies.

I hope that makes things clearer for you.

[Jack Knave]

Yes it is - but not necessarily mocking or ridicule of what's contained in the statement, as in this case. Wigginhall wasn't mocking or ridiculing victims of sexual assault; he was mocking and ridiculing the absurdly hysterical reaction of some to these incidents, individuals like ad_o who think that it spells the leading edge of a horde of swarthy ragheads swarming over here to ravish our ladies.

I hope that makes things clearer for you.

They have a strange way of showing their gratitude for being saved from wars and starvation, but most of them come across to me as economic migrants not desperate refugees - they also have the internet so they must have some idea what our norms are!

[Hope]

I see we are on about how bad Christianity is now.

As NS says, where?