But they are our murderous thugs

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Just as the conspiracy theorists must love fools like you who swallow their anti-American, anti-semetic rubbish hook, line and sinker.

I am not a conspiracy theorist. As I said, all you need to to is look to alternative media once in a while and you will find the evidence. In fact you don't even need to go alternative, just non-western. Try RT.

[Bubbles]

Russian television? 

U are kidding?

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Russian television? 

U are kidding?

No. I'm not kidding. What makes you think western media is any less biased, any less manipulated?

[Leonard James]

No. I'm not kidding. What makes you think western media is any less biased, any less manipulated?

On what basis do you think otherwise?

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On what basis do you think otherwise?

The Iraq war showed us that not only is the state and its security services willing to tell lies but also willing to manipulate the media to propogate those lies.

[Leonard James]

The Iraq war showed us that not only is the state and its security services willing to tell lies but also willing to manipulate the media to propogate those lies.

To the same extent as Russia and its ilk?

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To the same extent as Russia and its ilk?

I don't know, but why should it be dismissed off hand and seen as any less trustworthy all on account of an inherent Russophobia in the West?

[Leonard James]

I don't know, but why should it be dismissed off hand and seen as any less trustworthy all on account of an inherent Russophobia in the West?

Principally, I think, because Russia and the eastern block have a more Draconian approach to ruling their people.

[Owlswing]

I don't know, but why should it be dismissed off hand and seen as any less trustworthy all on account of an inherent Russophobia in the West?

As I have said your anti-Amrican (= Americaphobia) and Nazi level anti-semitism ( = Jewphobia) show that you are a rabid conspiracy theorist who will believe absolutely anything anti-American and anti-semetic regardless of who publishes it.

Ye Gods - the Russians were executing pogroms agains the Jews before and after the  November Revolution.

You are so blinded by your very obvious hatred of America, Americans and Jews that you would see a Boeing 747 if it was about to land on top of you!

I, for one, have no intention of wasting any more time trying to do a Jesus Christ and make the blind (you) see what is blatantly obvious to everyone else.

Inciidentally - my antecedants were Jewish, I was born a Jew though I never followed the religion, and many of them died in Auschwitz - to me your views are beneath contempt.

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You heard it from the horse's mouth folks. If you're against Zionism and believe that the Jews need to convert to be saved you're an anti-Semite. You obviously have a chip on your shoulder the size of the West Bank.

As for America, yes I am anti-American and for good reason. They are the cause of many of the problems around the world. I would not lose any sleep if both America and Israel were to suddenly disappear from the face of the earth.

[Leonard James]

You heard it from the horse's mouth folks. If you're against Zionism and believe that the Jews need to convert to be saved you're an anti-Semite. You obviously have a chip on your shoulder the size of the West Bank.

As for America, yes I am anti-American and for good reason. They are the cause of many of the problems around the world. i would not lose any sleep is both America and Israel were to suddenly disappear from the face of the earth.

Religion, religion, religion! "God" and Mammon are at the root of most of the evil in this world.

[Owlswing]

You heard it from the horse's mouth folks. If you're against Zionism and believe that the Jews need to convert to be saved you're an anti-Semite. You obviously have a chip on your shoulder the size of the West Bank.

As for America, yes I am anti-American and for good reason. They are the cause of many of the problems around the world. i would not lose any sleep is both America and Israel were to suddenly disappear from the face of the earth.

Together with their entire populations?

You have just announced that you agenda is exactly the same as Adolf Hitler's - the total eradication of the Jews!

I'll risk getting Moderated - Moderator: content removed.

[Leonard James]

It's very sad that humanity is capable of becoming united in one group to work for the good of all people, and yet it is being torn apart by religion and greed.

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Together with their entire populations?

You have just announced that you agenda is exactly the same as Adolf Hitler's - the total eradication of the Jews!

I'll risk getting Moderated - you are a right bastard!

Just the countries will do. Moderator: content removed.

[Leonard James]

Just the countries will do. Moderator: quoted content removed.

Now children, pack it in and think rationally.

[Gordon]

Moderator:

Controversial exchanges are fine, but insults are not. So I'm going to Mod two recent posts (and quote), and I'd second Len's advice before it gets silly.