Anglicans exclude the US Episcopalians over gay bishops

[Rhiannon]

Surely this sorry shower deserves to be in its death throes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35318392

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Too little too late.

[Gordon]

I think, here in the UK anyway, they are already on the way out even if their presumed newsworthiness by the likes of the BBC outweighs their relevance to, and influence on, society at large.

This is also further confirmation that some elements within organised Christianity are intrinsically homophobic.

[Owlswing]

One iinteresting quote from your source, Rhi:

The meeting in Canterbury, which started on Monday and brings together 39 Anglican primates . . .

almost seems that they are referring to 39 monkeys. Quite appropriate in view of the sentiments expressed by the Bishops. 

[Owlswing]

Too little too late.

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Your comment, while predictable, is "too little"!

What, precisely, is "too little", and, equally precisely, why is it "too late" and "too late" for what?

[Owlswing]

I think, here in the UK anyway, they are already on the way out even if their presumed newsworthiness by the likes of the BBC outweighs their relevance to, and influence on, society at large.

This is also further confirmation that some elements within organised Christianity are intrinsically homophobic.

But then we already knew this did we not?

Why does it not surprise me that the Ugandan representative was the first to hitch up his skirts and bog-off home in a huff!

[Rhiannon]

I think, here in the UK anyway, they are already on the way out even if their presumed newsworthiness by the likes of the BBC outweighs their relevance to, and influence on, society at large.

This is also further confirmation that some elements within organised Christianity are intrinsically homophobic.

For as long as there is an established church anywhere in the UK this is newsworthy.

There are a lot of Anglicans who will be disappointed by this. I know both clergy and laity who have left the church because of its homophobia. They are either going to lose many more members or there will be a breakaway within the CofE.

I've said it before but I left the church long before I lost my faith, because as a parent I felt it wasn't fit to be allowed anywhere near my

[Hope]

Surely this sorry shower deserves to be in its death throes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35318392

Quite agree, the sooner the ECUSA shrivel up and die, the better.

[Hope]

This is also further confirmation that some elements within organised Christianity are intrinsically homophobic.

Sorry, Gordon, there is homophobia and a belief that same-sex relationships are wrong, perhaps even bad for society.  They are very different; not synonymous.

[Owlswing]

Quite agree, the sooner the ECUSA shrivel up and die, the better.

So homophobic Hope!

If this is your attitude I am amzed that you continue to use a forum, this one, that has openly gay and, possibly, also lesbian members.

[Hope]

One iinteresting quote from your source, Rhi:

almost seems that they are referring to 39 monkeys. Quite appropriate in view of the sentiments expressed by the Bishops.

Oddly enough, the definition of 'primate' in the Oxford Dictionary makes no mention of monkeys, Matt.  Perhaps that suggests that your last remark suits you better.   http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/primate

[Owlswing]

Sorry, Gordon, there is homophobia and a belief that same-sex relationships are wrong, perhaps even bad for society.  They are very different; not synonymous.

The worst possible kind of lying, Hope, is lying to yourself. in this case lying to yourself to justify excluding people who believe in exactly the same religion as you on the basis of their disagreement on one single matter. It is the fact that it is the matter of homosexuality that makes this an overt act of homophobia and wrapping it up in pretty paper does not and will not ever change that.

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Your comment, while predictable, is "too little"!

What, precisely, is "too little", and, equally precisely, why is it "too late" and "too late" for what?

As far as the Anglican communion is concerned it let the cat out of the bag long ago. It's impossible to put back in. First it was women priests, now this. Why has it taken thirteen years? From an Orthodox perspective the Anglicans are beyond hope unless they completely and utterly repent of all their errors.

[Hope]

So homophobic Hope!

Well, I'd rather be true to my beliefs that hide them.

If this is your attitude I am amzed that you continue to use a forum, this one, that has openly gay and, possibly, also lesbian members.

Well, as has been said about you before, I'm amazed that you continue to use a forum, this one, that has openly Christian and other non-Pagan members.  I enjoy debate, and especially when it deals with issues close to my heart.

[Owlswing]

Oddly enough, the definition of 'primate' in the Oxford Dictionary makes no mention of monkeys, Matt.  Perhaps that suggests that your last remark suits you better.   http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/primate

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/primate = a mammal of an order INCLUDING monkeys, apes and humans!

And strangely enough homosexual behaviour has also been observed between some of said monkey and apes as well as humans.

[Rhiannon]

Quite agree, the sooner the ECUSA shrivel up and die, the better.

The story isn't about the Episcopalian Church, but about rest of the Anglican Communion demonstrating what a bunch of intolerant, ignorant and/or cowardly wankers they are. Thank goodness that Anglicanism in the UK is shrinking into nothingness.

[Hope]

As far as the Anglican communion is concerned it let the cat out of the bag long ago. It's impossible to put back in. First it was women priests, now this. Why has it taken thirteen years? From an Orthodox perspective the Anglicans are beyond hope unless they completely and utterly repent of all their errors.

Well, they seem to have repented of their unScriptural attitude to women, ad-o, and they seem to have stuck to Scriptural attitudes regarding sexuality.  Which other errors do they need to address?

[Owlswing]

As far as the Anglican communion is concerned it let the cat out of the bag long ago. It's impossible to put back in. First it was women priests, now this. Why has it taken thirteen years? From an Orthodox perspective the Anglicans are beyond hope unless they completely and utterly repent of all their errors.

Dinosaur! Your are living outside your era and should try to find a time-machine to send you back about four hundred years into the past to when your opinions were the vogue and humanity had not yet outgrown them.

Which it now has!

[Hope]

The story isn't about the Episcopalian Church, but about rest of the Anglican Communion demonstrating what a bunch of intolerant, ignorant and/or cowardly wankers they are. Thank goodness that Anglicanism in the UK is shrinking into nothingness.

No, Rhi, the story is about the Anglican Communion disciplining an element of itself that has been warned, on the same issue, on a number of occasions in the past.  ECUSA have chosen to ignore those warnings.

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Well, they seem to have repented of their unScriptural attitude to women, ad-o, and they seem to have stuck to Scriptural attitudes regarding sexuality.  Which other errors do they need to address?

Women clergy are unscriptual. Then there is all its Protestant errors.

[Hope]

Dinosaur! Your are living outside your era and should try to find a time-machine to send you back about four hundred years into the past to when your opinions were the vogue and humanity had not yet outgrown them.

Which it now has!

Sorry Matt, which era would that be?  As far as I'm aware, the era we are in is 'Anno Domine'; in other words, the era of Christ.  As Christ taught, his teachings are for all humanity and for all time.

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Dinosaur! Your are living outside your era and should try to find a time-machine to send you back about four hundred years into the past to when your opinions were the vogue and humanity had not yet outgrown them.

Which it now has!

Oy maybe you should just sod off! The faith is still kept in some places, but not in the Anglican communion.

[Gordon]

Sorry, Gordon, there is homophobia and a belief that same-sex relationships are wrong, perhaps even bad for society.  They are very different; not synonymous.

What you personally think about homosexuality being 'wrong' is just a matter of opinion (yours, not mine).

However, when Christian organisations try to use their assumed authority and influence: and especially the CofE given its privileged and protected status here in the UK, to seek to prevent socially progressive legislation within a democracy to remove discrimination based on sexuality that they disapprove of, then they are quite correctly deemed to be homophobic. Thankfully they didn't get in the way of progress, but they shamefully had to be ring-fenced as a special case in order to isolate them from having to consider adopting a more enlightened and respectful approach to people (including some of their own members and fellow Christians).   

Still we have to look on the bright side, since this type of discriminatory conduct will just hasten their overdue demise.   

[Gordon]

Sorry Matt, which era would that be?  As far as I'm aware, the era we are in is 'Anno Domine'; in other words, the era of Christ.  As Christ taught, his teachings are for all humanity and for all time.

That would be you opinion, Hope: nothing more and nothing less, and also wrong since quite clearly 'all humanity' don't agree with your grandiose presumption.

[Gordon]

ECUSA have chosen to ignore those warnings.

Then they should be applauded.