Anglicans exclude the US Episcopalians over gay bishops

[jeremyp]

We are only talking about one small aspect of the church, allowing homosexuals to become bishops.

So why are so many of the bishops getting their knickers in a twist about it then?

Lots of people, including my ordinated female friend don't think women should be bishops.

So what? We are talking about gay bishops, not female bishops.

She says the role is better suited to men.

In what way are men intrinsically better at being bishops than women?

[jeremyp]

You have a curious and ineradicable "gift" for seeing what isn't there.

Len at no point used the term "subhuman." Only you did so.

He is talking about sheep. Apparently the well worn cliché of comparing people who just follow the crowd to sheep now means they are subhuman in Vlad's excuse for a  mind. Of course it's all dependent on perspective. If the only thing left to eat on earth was grass, we would all be regretting our sub sheep digestive systems.

[jeremyp]

Because the Orthodox Church does not recognize Anglicanism as a true church.

Wow. What a bunch of wankers they are.

[jeremyp]

No, because we are right 

No. You're all a bunch of fucking knobs.

The people of the religion of the "God of Love" can find nothing better to do than accuse each other of not being the right sort of Christians. Why do you have so much hatred for each other?

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Wow. What a bunch of wankers they are.

That is considered something which should be confessed to a priest. It don't mean a one way ticket to the hot place.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

He is talking about sheep. Apparently the well worn cliché of comparing people who just follow the crowd to sheep now means they are subhuman in Vlad's excuse for a  mind. Of course it's all dependent on perspective. If the only thing left to eat on earth was grass, we would all be regretting our sub sheep digestive systems.

And like parts of the digestive system....you are full of shit.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

No. You're all a bunch of fucking knobs.

That's ok if it's with your wife.

The people of the religion of the "God of Love" can find nothing better to do than accuse each other of not being the right sort of Christians. Why do you have so much hatred for each other?

We don't hate 'em, we just think that they are wrong.

[jeremyp]

That is considered something which should be confessed to a priest. It don't mean a one way ticket to the hot place.

Confessed to a child molester? No thanks.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Confessed to a child molester? No thanks.

I am Orthodox not RC.

[Shaker]

We don't hate 'em, we just think that they are wrong.

The not hating bit is an improvement, I admit - five hundred years ago being the wrong sort of Christian would have been a one-way ticket to being turned into crispy duck minus the cucumber, spring onions and hoi sin sauce.

There's still no escape from the "I'm Spartacus" school of theism, though.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Jeremyp,

The people of the religion of the "God of Love" can find nothing better to do than accuse each other of not being the right sort of Christians. Why do you have so much hatred for each other?

As Vlad says,

that would be an ecumenical matter.

Gonnagle.

[ad_orientem]

The not hating bit is an improvement, I admit - five hundred years ago being the wrong sort of Christian would have been a one-way ticket to being turned into crispy duck minus the cucumber, spring onions and hoi sin sauce.

There's still no escape from the "I'm Spartacus" school of theism, though.

Again, why are you saying all that to an Orthodox Christian? It is post-schism Rome, not Constantinople, that is guilty.

[Shaker]

Again, why are you saying all that to an Orthodox Christian?

Because they're every bit as liable to come out with that particularly fatuous brand of twattery as anybody else, as Humph demonstrated earlier.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Dear Jeremyp,

As Vlad says,
 

Gonnagle.

LOL

[Hope]

There's still no escape from the "I'm Spartacus" school of theism, though.

I wondered which school you followed.   

[Shaker]

I wondered which school you followed.   

I don't - hence the a- prefix in atheism. But many theists seem to, monotheists especially - examples on this very thread today, but they're all over the place.

[Hope]

I don't - hence the a- prefix in atheism. But many theists seem to, monotheists especially - examples on this very thread today, but they're all over the place.

Sorry, Shakes, I thought you were saying that atheism can be said to have a variety of 'denominations'.

[Shaker]

Sorry, Shakes, I thought you were saying that atheism can be said to have a variety of 'denominations'.

No, the misunderstanding was all yours.

[OH MY WORLD!]

Leo,
"primitive tribes"? Thank God you are no historian. No, the fact is the Bible was not written by primitives. They happened to be as hip and happening as any peoples of that time. Now Leo, you were born long ago and so I will now have to look at your posts and declare them written by a primitive.

So congratulations and you're welcome.

I couldn't care less about the turmoil the liberal Englicans find themselves in. That liberal church needs to die. The United Church of Canada, the liberal, of liberal churches, is dying and that's a good thing. You know they actually have an atheist minister. What an absolute joke and thank God my grandparents walked out on it shortly after it was formed.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/atheist-united-church-minister-fights-review-that-could-lead-to-firing-1.2503623

[Brownie]

As far as the Anglican communion is concerned it let the cat out of the bag long ago. It's impossible to put back in. First it was women priests, now this. Why has it taken thirteen years? From an Orthodox perspective the Anglicans are beyond hope unless they completely and utterly repent of all their errors.

I am usually reluctant to talk about the Anglican Church as I am not an Anglican, however I am moved to say that, on the whole, they seem to do a pretty good job.  They are a secure fixture for many people and a broad church where there is something for everyone.

I'm surprised about this issue - I'd have thought the CofE would leave the Episcopalians alone.  There have always been gay clergy - more in the Anglican communion than anywhere else.  Being gay does not stop a person being a good minister!  Anyone who objects is way out of date, it's ridiculous.  It is also not their business.

[ippy]

I'm not talking about secularism Ippy but secular humanism. It is because you insist on them being the same as each other that leaves the way open for a nasty bit of antitheism to pollute the mix. Thus secularists begin to think of secular humanism as having the superior moral view, rather than being prepared to be informed by people of religion. In that respect a secular humanist society ends up with as many ayatollahs or inquisitors or witchfinder generals as any theocracy................

Secular humanists don't want to stop religiously inclined people continuing with their usual religious practices, we only want to see the end of all religious privillages.

Tell me Vlad what exactly is wrong with that; freedom of religion and freedom from religion.

Speaking for myself I think it would be entirely wrong to stop anyone practicing their religion, I do think all of the religions are potty but over all harmless, unfortunatly for your lot the really bad nutters get the headlines.

ippy

[ippy]

Intolerance of sin? Damn right!

How senseless.

ippy

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Secular humanists don't want to stop religiously inclined people continuing with their usual religious practices, we only want to see the end of all religious privillages.

Tell me Vlad what exactly is wrong with that; freedom of religion and freedom from religion.

Speaking for myself I think it would be entirely wrong to stop anyone practicing their religion, I do think all of the religions are potty but over all harmless, unfortunatly for your lot the really bad nutters get the headlines.

ippy

I feel you are sloganeering..........a bit. It all hinges IMHO on this business of Freedom from religion and how it sits with freedom of expression and speech.......after all anti theists thought that Jerry Springer the Opera should have been immune from dissent.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Vladdy,

It all hinges IMHO on this business of Freedom from religion and how it sits with freedom of expression and speech....

It sits with it perfectly well provided you don't confuse the right to speak with the right to be listened to.

[Shaker]

after all anti theists thought that Jerry Springer the Opera should have been immune from dissent.

This is actually a lie on your part, Vlad. Or a monumental piece of misunderstanding on the sort of scale that only you can come up with. I don't see any other options as there are no alternative explanations as to how you can be quite this wrong.

Name an "antitheist" who thought that JS:TO should have been immune from dissent. Any one. You won't be able to but you can't say you weren't offered the opportunity.

I, on the other hand, can find you any number of names of theists - largely, though not exclusively, Christians - who thought that it should have been immune from being performed, i.e. denied free artistic expression and free speech.