Anglicans exclude the US Episcopalians over gay bishops

[Walt Zingmatilder]

And just who decides which gods have the small g and which the capital?

The Grammar Police of course..........and if you get arrested you could face Capital punishment.

[Owlswing]

The Grammar Police of course..........and if you get arrested you could face Capital punishment.

Too funny you! NOT!

[ProfessorDavey]

If morality is a construct of society then a good scientist should have nothing to do with it.

Why - a good scientist is able to have opinions and view just the same as anyone else.

What a good scientist shouldn't do is to try to objective morality - rather to recognise that is is subjective and a construct of society.

And guess what, scientists are just as much part of that society as anyone else, theologians included, and have just as much right, and just as much authority to engage in the debate about the nature of that societally-driven and subjective morality.

[Dicky Underpants]

Whether they fit the original teaching of that faith, is one way.

Well, that was what the 'Higher Criticism' was all about - it was bad enough trying to get decent translations of the collection of writings known as 'The Bible' (the Lower Criticism), but to actually get to the original source material was a matter of intensive scholarship, and not all the scholars have agreed.  I don't suppose they ever will agree. However, the methodology of science proceeds with rather surer steps.

[Dicky Underpants]

This is an ill-concealed argument from antiquity, and gives rise to the question as to what is the methodology for determining whether the original teaching is true, since if the foundation is false, everything else piled upon it is undermined.

And that ultimately does indeed epitomise the difference between religion and science. Even if there were some sure-fast method to determine "What Jesus really said", ultimately his starting point was one of faith.

[Dicky Underpants]

The morality is the morality isn't it. if it is God then it is every bodies God since every person is touched by it.

And that morality (or rather 'moralities') is mediated by words, and the words differ - depending on which religion you subscribe to, and in the case of Christianity, which parts of the Bible you read and how you interpret them, and how much trust you put in the interpretations of the Church Fathers.
If you're arguing that God touches us through our conscience, and this in turn is a source of absolute morality, well, I offer you the Yorkshire Ripper.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Me,

The Grammar Police of course..........and if you get arrested you could face Capital punishment.

Come on, that's funny

Very Tim Vine.

Q: What do you call a blond with a brain? A: A golden retriever.

Gonnagle.

[Owlswing]

Gonnagle

Q - What do you call a brunette betwen two blonds?

A - An interpreter

[OH MY WORLD!]

Matty,
You are using my "too funny you"

Big hug for you buddy. Now have a cookie!

Oh, and what's with the blonde jokes?

http://theinvisiblegorilla.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/image001.jpg

[Owlswing]

Matty,
You are using my "too funny you"

Big hug for you buddy. Now have a cookie!

Oh, and what's with the blonde jokes?

http://theinvisiblegorilla.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/image001.jpg

You complain on another thread that Shaker posts to have a go at Hope - all you ever post for is to have a go at me. POT KETTLE BLACK

[OH MY WORLD!]

Not true, only when you are being silly, hypocritical, or not thinking before you post. Unfortunately that's a good portion of the time, but that's your problem. You will not go unchallenged around here Matty, now grab a spine.

[Sassy]

Rubbish! The only people that can forgive them are those they wronged.

Sin for Christians is not really about wronging others.??
You can sin without it being against another person?

[Sassy]

I guess what the atheists do not want to acknowledge is the fact that they too believe mistreating someone is wrong.
But they ignore that fact when it comes to God being mistreated or wronged.

The bible tells us we all need Christ... but no one really listens...

When it is too late who will save you?

[Leonard James]

Sin for Christians is not really about wronging others.??

No? Then it should be if your "God" is a god of love.

You can sin without it being against another person?

Indeed! Actions which damage the environment are also wrong, and should be restricted to the absolutely necessary.

[Aruntraveller]

But they ignore that fact when it comes to God being mistreated or wronged.

Missing the point about atheists.

We can't consider it wrong to mistreat a non-existent deity.

You do see that?

[ippy]

The true Church had one high priest Jesus Christ. The true Church is born of Spirit and Truth.
It has no Country or denomination in reality...

John 4.

20.Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.



True worship and knowing God is not about a place or a country and denomination.
Salvation is for all, first the Jew and then Gentile.
It is a church where the temple is now the body of the person and where God dwells with them.
Your sexuality and a person are not the church by denominations.
A believer and a child of God does as Christ did. He had no sexual relations outside marriage. He had no homosexual relationships because under the teachings of the Prophets men cannot marry each other the same for women.
In truth a believer does as Christ did not as man does.

You cannot have a sexual relationship outside marriage if a Christian and it might be the death hour when you realise but the Christian will walk away rather than hurt God. It is hard for anyone to understand that God wants us to love him and others.
Truth does not change.

About twenty assertions in this one Sass.

ippy

[ippy]

Christians confess to one another the confessions is a thing made up by the Roman Catholic Church so they could nosey at what is going on in their parish. Whilst true believers confess their sins to one another they can simply confess to God and be forgiven.
So you see you without faith see it from a purely human prospective. In reality the priest/vicar are NO different to any other believer in Gods eyes. Because God is not a respector of persons. The priest or vicar has no higher standing with God than any other human. Taking holy orders is man made. There is no difference in the Spirit for believers...

Bit better than the last one Sass only 5 in this one

ippy

[ippy]

Dear Me,

Come on, that's funny

Very Tim Vine.

Gonnagle.

Two blonds walked into a building, you'd have thought one of them would have seen it?

ippy

[ippy]

Sin for Christians is not really about wronging others.??
You can sin without it being against another person?

2

ippy

[ippy]

I guess what the atheists do not want to acknowledge is the fact that they too believe mistreating someone is wrong.
But they ignore that fact when it comes to God being mistreated or wronged.

The bible tells us we all need Christ... but no one really listens...

When it is too late who will save you?

5

ippy

[ippy]

Sin for Christians is not really about wronging others.??
You can sin without it being against another person?

2

ippy

[Bubbles]

2

ippy

What's with the numbers ? Ippy 

Is it marks out of 5 ? 10?

[Owlswing]

What's with the numbers ? Ippy 

Is it marks out of 5 ? 10?

The number of Sassy assumptions/assertions in the post so marked?

[Hope]

We can't consider it wrong to mistreat a non-existent deity.

Can one mistreat a non-existent entity?  If you can't consider it wrong to do so, that entity must exist!!

[Nearly Sane]

Can one mistreat a non-existent entity?  If you can't consider it wrong to do so, that entity must exist!!

Your post is like a Little Jack Horner post when you are shouting out 'Look, I've got a plum on my thumb!' And people are muttering 'Poor boy, thinks shite is fruit'