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Fixing the date of Easter
« on: January 16, 2016, 12:18:31 PM »
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/12102278/Easter-date-to-be-fixed-within-next-five-to-10-years.html

I think it is daft that the date of Easter hasn't been fixed before now. Christmas is a fixed date even though it is highly unlikely Jesus was born on that date.

Some schools are already fixing their Spring terms dates without taking Easter into consideration, which seems sensible.
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Re: Fixing the date of Easter
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2016, 12:56:16 PM »
I don't see what the problem with a movable date is, seeing as to can work out the dates for Easter for the next million years if you wanted to. Keep it movable.
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Re: Fixing the date of Easter
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2016, 01:13:50 PM »
I don't see what the problem with a movable date is, seeing as to can work out the dates for Easter for the next million years if you wanted to. Keep it movable.

Why?

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Re: Fixing the date of Easter
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2016, 01:16:57 PM »
Why?

Becasue Ad_O says that it is the way HIS god wants it! And, of course, everyone else, religious and atheists must do what they are told by god's messenger the Holy Ad_O!
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Re: Fixing the date of Easter
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2016, 01:23:43 PM »
Why?

Because Easter is a movable feast, linked to the Hebrew lunar calendar. Break the link and it's not Easter anymore, just spring break, man, yeah!
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Re: Fixing the date of Easter
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2016, 01:24:18 PM »
I don't see what the problem with a movable date is, seeing as to can work out the dates for Easter for the next million years if you wanted to. Keep it movable.
In the UK, the problem is that it is a holiday which means that the school term between Christmas and Easter can be either very short, very long or somewhere in between.

Personally, I don't really care if it's fixed or not. It's moved around for my entire life without causing me any serious problems.
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Re: Fixing the date of Easter
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2016, 01:24:33 PM »
Bearing in mind that I haven't got that many years to bother about what date it is :) I think it will be a bit boring not to have to think about which days the shops will be closed etc!!!
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Re: Fixing the date of Easter
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2016, 01:25:11 PM »
A fixed date would be useful for those planning holidays, which involves schools too, and since the date is variable now then no date is 'special', so I can't see that fixing it should be a problem.

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Re: Fixing the date of Easter
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2016, 01:27:42 PM »
A fixed date would be useful for those planning holidays, which involves schools too, and since the date is variable now then no date is 'special', so I can't see that fixing it should be a problem.

Eh? Problem planning? Bollocks! As I said, you can work out the date for Easter for the next million years and more (barring any cosmic disaster).
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Re: Fixing the date of Easter
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2016, 01:35:03 PM »
Even so, if it were say the second full week in every April, plus a PH on the following Monday, why would that be a problem - it might be more convenient since school terms wouldn't vary just because of lunar phases.

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Re: Fixing the date of Easter
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2016, 01:37:18 PM »
Because Easter is a movable feast, linked to the Hebrew lunar calendar. Break the link and it's not Easter anymore, just spring break, man, yeah!

As I said before, Christmas is a fixed date, and it is highly unlikely Jesus was born on that day, so why does it matter if Easter is celebrated on a fixed date too, as no one knows for sure on which day he was supposedly crucified?

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Re: Fixing the date of Easter
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2016, 01:40:28 PM »
Still its nice to know that on some issues they fan consider going against tradition and precedent;-)
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Re: Fixing the date of Easter
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2016, 02:07:09 PM »
As I said before, Christmas is a fixed date, and it is highly unlikely Jesus was born on that day, so why does it matter if Easter is celebrated on a fixed date too, as no one knows for sure on which day he was supposedly crucified?

I firmly belive Christ was born on or around the date we crlebrate the feast. Easter is linked to the Jewish Passover. This is not an accidental link. Easter loses much of its significance if it is no longer linked to the Passover.
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Re: Fixing the date of Easter
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2016, 02:26:09 PM »
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/12102278/Easter-date-to-be-fixed-within-next-five-to-10-years.html

I think it is daft that the date of Easter hasn't been fixed before now. Christmas is a fixed date even though it is highly unlikely Jesus was born on that date.

Some schools are already fixing their Spring terms dates without taking Easter into consideration, which seems sensible.
This headline is probably a copy of one 20-odd years ago. It's been under discussion for years.  Furthermore, schools have been setting their term dates without taking Easter into account since at least when I first started teaching.

Regarding the fixing of Christmas, that was easy because it was never tied to a given pre-existing event, such as Passover is.
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Re: Fixing the date of Easter
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2016, 02:27:12 PM »
Becasue Ad_O says that it is the way HIS god wants it! And, of course, everyone else, religious and atheists must do what they are told by god's messenger the Holy Ad_O!
Good to see your sarcasm, Matt.  Sad to see how transparent and pathetic it is.
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Re: Fixing the date of Easter
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2016, 02:29:10 PM »
A fixed date would be useful for those planning holidays, which involves schools too, and since the date is variable now then no date is 'special', so I can't see that fixing it should be a problem.
But as I pointed out before, some schools and Local Authorities have been ignoring it in their planning for as long as I can remember.
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Re: Fixing the date of Easter
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2016, 02:31:43 PM »
Good to see your sarcasm, Matt.  Sad to see how transparent and pathetic it is.

Not quite as pathetic as Ad_O's insistance that everything be set for everybody, regardless of religious belief, by his religious beliefs.
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Re: Fixing the date of Easter
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2016, 02:35:45 PM »
As I said before, Christmas is a fixed date, and it is highly unlikely Jesus was born on that day, so why does it matter if Easter is celebrated on a fixed date too, as no one knows for sure on which day he was supposedly crucified?
Floo this is probably the least correct statement you've ever made.  Historians know that Christ was crucified immediately before Passover.  Which year, and therefore exactly which date that was, is actually irrelevant.  The event is tied to the date of Passover, which is a moveable feast.  This is also where Matt's sarcastic comment is shown to be so daft - Easter isn't tied to a 'Christian' event, but to a Jewish one.
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Re: Fixing the date of Easter
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2016, 02:36:34 PM »
Not quite as pathetic as Ad_O's insistance that everything be set for everybody, regardless of religious belief, by his religious beliefs.

Don't like it? Move out of Europe. Europe is Christian.
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« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2016, 02:37:27 PM »
Not quite as pathetic as Ad_O's insistance that everything be set for everybody, regardless of religious belief, by his religious beliefs.
Sorry, it's far more pathetic than ad-o's comment, since ad-o points out that the Christian event is closely tied to a Jewish event.
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« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2016, 02:38:30 PM »
Don't like it? Move out of Europe. Europe is Christian.
Has Europe ever been 'Christian', ad-0?  Can a geo-political entity have a religion? 
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Re: Fixing the date of Easter
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2016, 02:38:33 PM »
Don't like it? Move out of Europe. Europe is Christian.
You can't have been almost anywhere in Europe in a long, long time.
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Re: Fixing the date of Easter
« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2016, 02:39:28 PM »
Floo this is probably the least correct statement you've ever made.  Historians know that Christ was crucified immediately before Passover.  Which year, and therefore exactly which date that was, is actually irrelevant.  The event is tied to the date of Passover, which is a moveable feast.  This is also where Matt's sarcastic comment is shown to be so daft - Easter isn't tied to a 'Christian' event, but to a Jewish one.

Really Hope!

It was Ad_O who said it had to remain moveable because it was fixed at Passover - read what I said - I said his religious beliefs not that the belief was Christian!
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Re: Fixing the date of Easter
« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2016, 02:43:34 PM »
Sorry, it's far more pathetic than ad-o's comment, since ad-o points out that the Christian event is closely tied to a Jewish event.

Hope, if I said that 2/6 was half-a-crown you would disagree purely because it was me that said it!

You are just so obvious! But then acting as someone else's back-up in attacking me at every opportunity is also bloody obvious.
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Re: Fixing the date of Easter
« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2016, 02:44:46 PM »
I firmly belive Christ was born on or around the date we crlebrate the feast. Easter is linked to the Jewish Passover. This is not an accidental link. Easter loses much of its significance if it is no longer linked to the Passover.

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