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Noah's Flood
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Re: Noah's Flood
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2016, 01:28:11 PM »
Floo,

Before the flood,

1. How high were the mountains?
2. How many kinds of animal were there?
3. Where did kangaroos live?
4. What was different about the animals Noah sacrificed and how many pairs of them had he taken on the ark?
5. When was incest first prohibited? 

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Re: Noah's Flood
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2016, 01:35:46 PM »
Floo,

Before the flood,

1. How high were the mountains?
2. How many kinds of animal were there?
3. Where did kangaroos live?
4. What was different about the animals Noah sacrificed and how many pairs of them had he taken on the ark?
5. When was incest first prohibited?

1. So the mountains were small, or non existent ?

2. There were very few creatures just enough to fill the ark with two of each gender?

3. Kangaroos were living in the Middle East?

4. There was something different about the animals Noah sacrificed?

5. Incest was fine until the deity no longer approved of it?

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Re: Noah's Flood
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2016, 01:39:00 PM »
Floo, the "clean" animals were seven times two.
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Re: Noah's Flood
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2016, 01:55:16 PM »
Floo, the "clean" animals were seven times two.

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Re: Noah's Flood
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2016, 02:38:27 PM »
Ehhhhhhhhhhh?

Read the relavant parts of Genesis.
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Re: Noah's Flood
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2016, 02:45:11 PM »
Read the relavant parts of Genesis.

Genesis 8v20 (NIV) says nothing about seven times two, or the relevance of your comment?

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Re: Noah's Flood
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2016, 02:58:15 PM »
1. The flooding of a whole planet above mountain height is impossible, there is not enough water in the world to provide the precipitation necessary.
There have been times when much if not all of the globe has been under ice, so I suspect that, technically, there would be sufficient moisture in the world for such an event to occur.

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4. After the flood it is reported Noah sacrificed some of the animals, so presumably those species died out?
You nclearly haven't read the passage very well, Floo.  It says that God instructed Noah to take 7 pairs of all the clean animals and 2 of the unclean animals - a male and its mate making up each 'pair' - and 7 pairs of each kind of bird.  In the context, one only sacrifices 'clean animals', so even if he had sacrificed 12 of each animal and bird, provided tthat 12 was made up of 6 male and 6 female, there would still have been 1 pair left for reproduction - but there is no suggestion that he sacrificed that many oif any of the species.

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5. Noah and his family must have been incestuously bonking like rabbits for a long time to replace the world's population.
We don't know what the population of the world was at the time, but in view of the fact that the global population was less than one billion until the early 19th century, they couldn't have been 'bonking' all that hard.

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Well come on Biblical literalists let's hear your explanation!
Since the passage about the Flood occurs in a section of the Bible that is theological rather than historical, Bible literalists don't really have much to explain.  Its odd that you clearly think that this passage was meant to be historical!!   ;)
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Re: Noah's Flood
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2016, 03:06:58 PM »
Genesis 8v20 (NIV) says nothing about seven times two, or the relevance of your comment?
Genesis 8:20 reads thus in the NIV 
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Then Noah built an altar to the Lord and, taking some of all the clean animals and clean birds, he sacrificed burnt offerings on it.

Reading the whole story, from Chapter 7:1, you will notice that 7:2 states
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Take with you seven of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and two of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, and seven of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth.(NIV)

That's why its important to read stories like this properly and taking the whole context into account.
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Re: Noah's Flood
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2016, 03:32:24 PM »
There have been times when much if not all of the globe has been under ice, so I suspect that, technically, there would be sufficient moisture in the world for such an event to occur.
You nclearly haven't read the passage very well, Floo.  It says that God instructed Noah to take 7 pairs of all the clean animals and 2 of the unclean animals - a male and its mate making up each 'pair' - and 7 pairs of each kind of bird.  In the context, one only sacrifices 'clean animals', so even if he had sacrificed 12 of each animal and bird, provided tthat 12 was made up of 6 male and 6 female, there would still have been 1 pair left for reproduction - but there is no suggestion that he sacrificed that many oif any of the species.
We don't know what the population of the world was at the time, but in view of the fact that the global population was less than one billion until the early 19th century, they couldn't have been 'bonking' all that hard.
Since the passage about the Flood occurs in a section of the Bible that is theological rather than historical, Bible literalists don't really have much to explain.  Its odd that you clearly think that this passage was meant to be historical!!   ;)

I said the story was a fable, so obviously I don't think it is historical. I might be a daft old bat, but not that batty!

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Re: Noah's Flood
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2016, 04:20:41 PM »
There have been times when much if not all of the globe has been under ice, so I suspect that, technically, there would be sufficient moisture in the world for such an event to occur.

Ice is around 12% larger, by volume, than an equivalent mass of water, so that's not necessarily the case. Similarly, whilst much of the low-lying lands in which humans tend to dwell, at high latitudes, was icebound, the majority of the tropical region never was, and the higher areas similarly weren't.

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We don't know what the population of the world was at the time, but in view of the fact that the global population was less than one billion until the early 19th century, they couldn't have been 'bonking' all that hard.

The problem isn't one of geometric progression, it's more to do with the degree of genetic diversity that's apparent in humanity - and other species - which isn't consistent with having such a small population of humans as the common ancestry of all humanity barely a few thousand years ago.

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Since the passage about the Flood occurs in a section of the Bible that is theological rather than historical, Bible literalists don't really have much to explain.

Well, they do, because there are literalists out there who don't think that any of it's solely theological, they genuinely believe this actually happened, within the last six thousand or so years - I appreciate that you aren't one of those people, but they are out there, and in alarmingly large numbers.

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Its odd that you clearly think that this passage was meant to be historical!!   ;)

Not really, given that some people who accept the validity of the work make that claim. I don't doubt that it isn't true, I've no idea if the authors originally believed it was, believed it was a reworking of an older true story rejigged for their time or if they knew it was nonsense in their own time but thought it added something to the book they were writing.

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Re: Noah's Flood
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2016, 05:22:18 PM »
Not really, given that some people who accept the validity of the work make that claim. I don't doubt that it isn't true, I've no idea if the authors originally believed it was, believed it was a reworking of an older true story rejigged for their time or if they knew it was nonsense in their own time but thought it added something to the book they were writing.
Linguistically, and content-wise, it is clear that the first 11 chapters of Genesis, as we have them today, were written in the late-6th/early-5th century BC (have to admit that I can never remember which round this kind of dating should be expressed).  This being the case, it is likely that the author(s) wrote it in order to show those Jews who had spent the previous 70-odd years in exile in Babylon hw their God differed from the gods they would have come into contact with whilst in exile.  It would also have been a reminder to those Jews who had remained in the 'Promised Land', many of whom would have been uneducated and possibly unable to have met as congregations/synagogues.
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Re: Noah's Flood
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2016, 05:25:16 PM »
Dear Floo,

I miss him too, but look on the bright side we now have Alan Burns, a distinct improvement. 8)

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Re: Noah's Flood
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2016, 05:29:03 PM »
I said the story was a fable, so obviously I don't think it is historical. I might be a daft old bat, but not that batty!
Yet you come up with detailed explanations that rely on 'literal' interpretations - explanations that I would never have thought of.
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Re: Noah's Flood
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2016, 06:59:01 PM »
I have  been re-reading the Biblical flood fable and find it incredible that anyone could believe it to be literally true, it is total nonsense. Here are five reasons why the story is crazy, I am sure others can come up with some more!

1. The flooding of a whole planet above mountain height is impossible, there is not enough water in the world to provide the precipitation necessary.

2. Noah's Ark would have to have been an incredible size to house two of every creature on Earth and store the food for those creatures.

3. How did Noah round up all the creatures, including animals like kangaroos which aren't native to the Middle East?

4. After the flood it is reported Noah sacrificed some of the animals, so presumably those species died out?

5. Noah and his family must have been incestuously bonking like rabbits for a long time to replace the world's population.

Well come on Biblical literalists let's hear your explanation!

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Re: Noah's Flood
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2016, 08:41:48 PM »
Floo,

Before the flood,

1. How high were the mountains?
2. How many kinds of animal were there?
3. Where did kangaroos live?
4. What was different about the animals Noah sacrificed and how many pairs of them had he taken on the ark?
5. When was incest first prohibited?

I know, it's a trick question. There was no Flood.
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Re: Noah's Flood
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2016, 09:55:05 PM »
We have done this some time ago,try to keep up Floo.

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She does, ~TW~; she usually starts the threads related to the Flood.   ;)
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Re: Noah's Flood
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2016, 11:34:46 PM »
Didn't Margaret Thatcher shut down all of those special retirement homes for creationists and those that believe the biblical flood really happened?

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Re: Noah's Flood
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2016, 12:13:49 AM »
Well that's just it, I don't think floo was rereading, rather she stumbled on some atheist sight and pulled these same old questions.

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Re: Noah's Flood
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2016, 11:22:31 AM »
Dear Floo,

I miss him too, but look on the bright side we now have Alan Burns, a distinct improvement. 8)

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Re: Noah's Flood
« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2016, 01:23:20 PM »
Sorry whom are we missing?

Looked at this one Floo and realised that Woody, our good old Canadian chopper friend has got his lines crossed, I think he means B A.

Looks like he's another one that thinks the flood really happened, he can't be a creationist too, surely not?

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Re: Noah's Flood
« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2016, 01:25:48 PM »
Looked at this one Floo and realised that Woody, our good old Canadian chopper friend has got his lines crossed, I think he means B A.

Looks like he's another one that thinks the flood really happened, he can't be a creationist too, surly not?

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He certainly can be pretty surly, ippy   ;)
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« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2016, 01:26:50 PM »
Looked at this one Floo and realised that Woody, our good old Canadian chopper friend has got his lines crossed, I think he means B A.

Looks like he's another one that thinks the flood really happened, he can't be a creationist too, surly not?

ippy

BA doesn't believe the OT to be literally true.

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Re: Noah's Flood
« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2016, 01:43:40 PM »
Treeless ippy,
Don't be turning this thread into one about me, I know you have a big old man crush on me but, YIKES MAN! Let's keep it about floo and her claim of rereading. (snork)

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« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2016, 01:56:19 PM »
BA doesn't believe the OT to be literally true.

Sorry Floo, I meant Woody, not B A.

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