Indifference to equality in civil partnership.

[Shaker]

Oh so it's an antitheist institution like ''weaponising'' same sex marriage under the pretext of ''equality''.

No, it's an institution open to anyone who wants to be committed to it.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Vlunderer,

Your anti-theists under the bed paranoia is getting worse.

Suggest you seek help before you start shouting at people in the street for anti-theistically stepping off the pavement without looking.

Not paranoia................. Hillside antitheists are an abnormal minority.......in the statistical sense of course.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Another Christian on this thread talking bollocks. Weird.

Bollocks eh?.....raising your level of philosophical debate a bit aren't you.

[Rhiannon]

Bollocks eh?.....raising your level of philosophical debate a bit aren't you.

I needed to aim it at your level, Vlad.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I needed to aim it at your level, Vlad.

Stop talking bollocks.

[Rhiannon]

Stop talking bollocks.

There you go. 

[Outrider]

Oh so it's an antitheist institution like ''weaponising'' same sex marriage under the pretext of ''equality''.

If marriage is an anti-theist institution, why are the church still providing it?

How has 'gay' marriage (is that marriage that just happens to involve gay people, or is that a special sort of marriage, like 'Christian Marriage^TM) been 'weaponised'? Who do gay people 'aim' their marriages at?

You appear to have a vastly inflated sense of your church's importance: people don't get married 'at' the church, they get married to each other, and the church seems to think it has sufficient relevance to have an input, regardless of whether anyone involved gives two shits.

Of course, that's nothing compared to your personal arrogance of deciding you know better than people what their motivations for their support for marriage equality was and is.

If it's the humble that inherit the Earth, what do the arrogant get?

They pour out their arrogant words; all the evildoers boast

O.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

If marriage is an anti-theist institution, why are the church still providing it?

How has 'gay' marriage (is that marriage that just happens to involve gay people, or is that a special sort of marriage, like 'Christian Marriage^TM) been 'weaponised'? Who do gay people 'aim' their marriages at?

You appear to have a vastly inflated sense of your church's importance: people don't get married 'at' the church, they get married to each other, and the church seems to think it has sufficient relevance to have an input, regardless of whether anyone involved gives two shits.

Of course, that's nothing compared to your personal arrogance of deciding you know better than people what their motivations for their support for marriage equality was and is.

If it's the humble that inherit the Earth, what do the arrogant get?

O.

It's all in your head Outrider.
Many Antitheists supported gay marriage as a weapon against the church.
Many others in this country IMHO thought it ok because it doesn't affect them and it wasn't going to cost the taxpayer anything and Cameron wanted it to attract a bigger political constituency.

But you have brought up another issue. If as you say you don't give a toss about the church.....why are you on here all axe grindy and vehemently against it?

[Owlswing]

Stop talking bollocks.

No mate - your bollocks are what the lady is aiming at - she has to in order to ensure she blows your brains out!

[Owlswing]

It's all in your head Outrider.
Many Antitheists supported gay marriage as a weapon against the church.
Many others in this country IMHO thought it ok because it doesn't affect them and it wasn't going to cost the taxpayer anything and Cameron wanted it to attract a bigger political constituency.

But you have brought up another issue. If as you say you don't give a toss about the church.....why are you on here all axe grindy and vehemently against it?

Humble? Nothing is humble about you Vlad - least of all your rather pathetic opinions on anti-theism and SSM's and CP's.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

No mate - your bollocks are what the lady is aiming at - she has to in order to ensure she blows your brains out!

No...you got that wrong ....she has to aim at mine because you don't have any.

[Owlswing]

No...you got that wrong ....she has to aim at mine because you don't have any.

You promidsed that you wouldn't tell anyone as long as I blew you!

Traitor!

[Shaker]

No sign of Hopeless then?

Oh well.

[jeremyp]

It's all in your head Outrider.
Many Antitheists supported gay marriage as a weapon against the church.

Could you name them please.

Many others in this country IMHO thought it ok because it doesn't affect them and it wasn't going to cost the taxpayer anything

So many people thought it OK because there was no reason to oppose it. Oh my dog! How evil is that... oh, wait.

and Cameron wanted it to attract a bigger political constituency.

At the cost of  alienating people like you. He probably thought that was a fair swap.

But you have brought up another issue. If as you say you don't give a toss about the church.....why are you on here all axe grindy and vehemently against it?

Who started this thread? I would have thought that person must be the most axe grindy.

[Outrider]

It's all in your head Outrider.

What is? The anti-theists or the intercontinental ballistic gay marriages?

Many Antitheists supported gay marriage as a weapon against the church.

But I guess I wouldn't know them, right... they live in Canada? I would have thought, if someone wanted to wield a weapon against they church, they'd campaign against their tax exempt status, not force them to not become involved in offering marriage equally in the country...

Many others in this country IMHO thought it ok because it doesn't affect them and it wasn't going to cost the taxpayer anything and Cameron wanted it to attract a bigger political constituency.

'Many' strikes me as a weasel word, here.

You seem to have missed the overwhelming majority of people who supported marriage equality because they believe that equality is something to strive for. Maybe they were all hiding behind your imaginary anti-theist?

But you have brought up another issue. If as you say you don't give a toss about the church.....why are you on here all axe grindy and vehemently against it?

Because the church gives a toss about me and what I do, and still has reserved spaces in the legislature, and still supports institutional homophobia whilst wielding undue influence in the education system. I don't care about the church, I care about its actions for as long as it still has influence.

As to why I'm on here - because fantasists like you need to be addressed when they spout nonsense.

O.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

What is? The anti-theists or the intercontinental ballistic gay marriages?

But I guess I wouldn't know them, right... they live in Canada? I would have thought, if someone wanted to wield a weapon against they church, they'd campaign against their tax exempt status, not force them to not become involved in offering marriage equally in the country...

'Many' strikes me as a weasel word, here.

You seem to have missed the overwhelming majority of people who supported marriage equality because they believe that equality is something to strive for. Maybe they were all hiding behind your imaginary anti-theist?

Because the church gives a toss about me and what I do, and still has reserved spaces in the legislature, and still supports institutional homophobia whilst wielding undue influence in the education system. I don't care about the church, I care about its actions for as long as it still has influence.

As to why I'm on here - because fantasists like you need to be addressed when they spout nonsense.

O.

So it doesn't matter to anybody but it does.....is that right?

I think it doesn't matter to a lot of people but they probably don't share your unreasonable hatred of it.

I rather think you imagine a universally homophilic secular Britain.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

the intercontinental ballistic gay marriages?

well, polishing the rocket makes a change from polishing the turds I suppose.

[ProfessorDavey]

Many Antitheists supported gay marriage as a weapon against the church.
Many others in this country IMHO thought it ok because it doesn't affect them and it wasn't going to cost the taxpayer anything

And your evidence for either of these statements is? Oh yes I forgot you have no evidence at all.

I think most people supported gay marriage because they believed it to be the right (and moral) thing to do Because they felt that preventing a couple form marrying because they are gay was just flat out wrong.

[Outrider]

So it doesn't matter to anybody but it does.....is that right?

Increasingly few people care for its future or its health, but they do care about the effect it still has in the public arena, even as they are happy that it's in decline.

I think it doesn't matter to a lot of people but they probably don't share your unreasonable hatred of it.

I think those people it matters to are probably as existent as my 'unreasonable hatred' and are living in a space station with Elvis, Bob Marley and the Legion of Anti-Theists, which I'd heard was going to kick off Marvel's phase 4...

I rather think you imagine a universally homophilic secular Britain.

That rather depends on how you interpret 'homophilic'. I'd like a secular Britain, yes - we're mostly there, but there's still a few bits and pieces to go - and I'd like a Britain that didn't change its response based on your sexuality - if that's what you consider 'homophilic' then yes, I'm in favour of that.

I do imagine that's where we're headed, and I think that's a good thing - don't you?

O.

[Leonard James]

Another step in the right direction.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/01/21/this-school-has-done-something-wonderful-for-its-trans-students/

[King Oberon]

Amusing thread..

The usual leading question to do some ranting and raving followed by some comic assertions 

Especially:

"Many Antitheists supported gay marriage as a weapon against the church.
Many others in this country IMHO thought it ok because it doesn't affect them and it wasn't going to cost the taxpayer anything and Cameron wanted it to attract a bigger political constituency."

I think you get mixed up (purposely) what an atheist is.

I don't care what strange notions you believe any more than I do people who believe in unicorns/aliens/bigfoot but the big difference is that they don't try force the rest of us to have those beliefs or try indeed try and influence society in general with any bigoted views they might hold due to those delusions.

Despite your dribble about gay marriage the reason I support it is the reason that I let you have your church. Tolerance, acceptance and a belief that everyone is entitled to live the way they want if it adheres with the laws of the land and it doesn't harm anyone else. 

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Amusing thread..

The usual leading question to do some ranting and raving followed by some comic assertions 

Especially:

"Many Antitheists supported gay marriage as a weapon against the church.
Many others in this country IMHO thought it ok because it doesn't affect them and it wasn't going to cost the taxpayer anything and Cameron wanted it to attract a bigger political constituency."

I think you get mixed up (purposely) what an atheist is.

I don't care what strange notions you believe any more than I do people who believe in unicorns/aliens/bigfoot but the big difference is that they don't try force the rest of us to have those beliefs or try indeed try and influence society in general with any bigoted views they might hold due to those delusions.

Despite your dribble about gay marriage the reason I support it is the reason that I let you have your church. Tolerance, acceptance and a belief that everyone is entitled to live the way they want if it adheres with the laws of the land and it doesn't harm anyone else. 

I am not talking about atheists or gay marriage but antitheists and even then just those who campaigned vehemently against the church under the banner of equality the showed complete antipathy or apathy over the equality issue in heterosexual civil partnership.

That also rendered much of the ''privilege'' schtick of some antitheists as just humbug.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Ok I'll play.

The situation regarding Civil Partnerships is in some respects similar to that regarding race discrimination, and domestic violence. In all three matters the original lobbyists have seen their original project superseded by events. However in the case of the latter two, despite the best endeavours of some within the Afro Caribbean community, and some within the feminist movement, the projects have expanded way beyond their original terms of reference because of increased public interest. There is no such wider interest regarding civil partnerships, and whilst I do feel sympathy with the two elderly spinster sisters who wished to form a civil partnership to safeguard their family home, there is more mileage in wearing a pink carnation than a withered carnation.

As for Vlad's rant regarding antitheists, quite frankly antitheists will slag religion any chance they get, I slag London every chance I get, all's fair in love and war,

[ProfessorDavey]

antitheists are an abnormal minority.......in the statistical sense of course.

What do you mean by 'abnormal minority' - given that you refer to statistic then I think that you mean a small minority, maybe a few percentage of the population.

In which case, by your own definition then regular church goers (who also represent a tiny minority - just a few percent of the population) are also an 'abnormal minority'.

But of course the word abnormal is redundant if you are talking any kind of sense, and the usual pejorative rubbish that we've come to expect from you Vlad.

Out of interest you seem to think that people supporting equal marriage are anti theist - but what about all those religious people who supported extending marriage - are they also anti theist, are they actually against themselves Vlad?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

What do you mean by 'abnormal minority' - given that you refer to statistic then I think that you mean a small minority, maybe a few percentage of the population.

In which case, by your own definition then regular church goers (who also represent a tiny minority - just a few percent of the population) are also an 'abnormal minority'.

But of course the word abnormal is redundant if you are talking any kind of sense, and the usual pejorative rubbish that we've come to expect from you Vlad.

Out of interest you seem to think that people supporting equal marriage are anti theist - but what about all those religious people who supported extending marriage - are they also anti theist, are they actually against themselves Vlad?

Reply 96 states exactly who I have in mind.
I have not found on this forum a theist who fits the bill.