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Walt Zingmatilder

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Re: Indifference to equality in civil partnership.
« Reply #100 on: January 22, 2016, 06:49:48 PM »
Ok I'll play.

The situation regarding Civil Partnerships is in some respects similar to that regarding race discrimination, and domestic violence. In all three matters the original lobbyists have seen their original project superseded by events. However in the case of the latter two, despite the best endeavours of some within the Afro Caribbean community, and some within the feminist movement, the projects have expanded way beyond their original terms of reference because of increased public interest. There is no such wider interest regarding civil partnerships, and whilst I do feel sympathy with the two elderly spinster sisters who wished to form a civil partnership to safeguard their family home, there is more mileage in wearing a pink carnation than a withered carnation.

As for Vlad's rant regarding antitheists, quite frankly antitheists will slag religion any chance they get, I slag London every chance I get, all's fair in love and war,
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Re: Indifference to equality in civil partnership.
« Reply #101 on: January 22, 2016, 06:50:40 PM »
Reply 96 states exactly who I have in mind.
I have not found on this forum a theist who fits the bill.
Tellingly you haven't found one of your mythical antitheists either, Vlad ;)
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Re: Indifference to equality in civil partnership.
« Reply #102 on: January 22, 2016, 07:18:31 PM »
Reply 96 states exactly who I have in mind.
I have not found on this forum a theist who fits the bill.
A theist who fits the bill as what? As someone who supports equal marriage - there are loads on this MB and out in the real world. And in your view people supported equal marriage because they are anti-theists, so by your own argument there are theists who are anti theist, in other words against themselves.

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Re: Indifference to equality in civil partnership.
« Reply #103 on: January 22, 2016, 07:30:53 PM »
A theist who fits the bill as what? As someone who supports equal marriage - there are loads on this MB and out in the real world. And in your view people supported equal marriage because they are anti-theists, so by your own argument there are theists who are anti theist, in other words against themselves.
Nope someone who used the issue as an attack on the church under guise of an equality argument and then was apathetic or even antipathetic toward heterosexual partnerships and let me be more specific....others justified that on an ''insufficient numbers or insufficient suffering to be bothered about it'' basis. No Theists fit the bill.

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Re: Indifference to equality in civil partnership.
« Reply #104 on: January 22, 2016, 11:08:43 PM »
Nope someone who used the issue as an attack on the church under guise of an equality argument and then was apathetic or even antipathetic toward heterosexual partnerships and let me be more specific....others justified that on an ''insufficient numbers or insufficient suffering to be bothered about it'' basis. No Theists fit the bill.
So where are these mythical individuals then, Vlad?
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Re: Indifference to equality in civil partnership.
« Reply #105 on: January 23, 2016, 05:49:23 AM »
So where are these mythical individuals then, Vlad?

Vlad's anti-theists are about as real as the Man in the Moon and the Sugar Plum Fairy, but you have have to give Vlad top marks for imagination.
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Re: Indifference to equality in civil partnership.
« Reply #106 on: January 23, 2016, 08:44:17 AM »
Nope someone who used the issue as an attack on the church under guise of an equality argument and then was apathetic or even antipathetic toward heterosexual partnerships and let me be more specific....others justified that on an ''insufficient numbers or insufficient suffering to be bothered about it'' basis. No Theists fit the bill.
You are like the most bizarre of conspiracy theorists.

I know countless people who support the change to the law on marriage (including I should add many active church-goers), I can't think of anyone who fits your bill - in other words someone who was disinterested or actually opposed but who claimed to be for equal marriage just to get at religion. None, not a single person.

I can think of some people who became more resolved to campaign for the change when face with the almost hysterical and demonising negative campaigning by some within religious organisations - but that isn't the same thing at all. Many of us were appalled by the way the churches campaigned and many churchgoers were deeply embarrassed and felt shamed by their approach. And sure that may have strengthened resolve to ensure that the argument was won and that a rare change to increase fairness and equality in the UK was grasped. I think we would have felt terrible if the negative campaigning of a small minority had been sufficient to cause parliament to lose its resolve to do the right thing - and we were going to do all we could to make sure that didn't happen.

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Re: Indifference to equality in civil partnership.
« Reply #107 on: January 23, 2016, 08:54:09 AM »
Reply 96 states exactly who I have in mind. I have not found on this forum a theist who fits the bill.

So far you've not suggested anyone that fits the bill, you've just insinuated that there are anti-theists... somewhere.

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Re: Indifference to equality in civil partnership.
« Reply #108 on: January 23, 2016, 08:56:55 AM »
So where are these mythical individuals then, Vlad?
The only thing mythical about them is consistent support for the equality argument rather than using it for antitheist purposes already on this thread the suggestion seems to have been made that civil partnership is a non issue, one that will die a death and one where there isn't the right amount of suffering involved to warrant the equality issue.

The droves of those willing to take the inequality of the churc to task have similarly vanished.

It looks like humbuggery therefore by some atheists I'm afraid.

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Re: Indifference to equality in civil partnership.
« Reply #109 on: January 23, 2016, 09:04:16 AM »
You are like the most bizarre of conspiracy theorists.

I know countless people who support the change to the law on marriage (including I should add many active church-goers), I can't think of anyone who fits your bill - in other words someone who was disinterested or actually opposed but who claimed to be for equal marriage just to get at religion. None, not a single person.

I can think of some people who became more resolved to campaign for the change when face with the almost hysterical and demonising negative campaigning by some within religious organisations - but that isn't the same thing at all. Many of us were appalled by the way the churches campaigned and many churchgoers were deeply embarrassed and felt shamed by their approach. And sure that may have strengthened resolve to ensure that the argument was won and that a rare change to increase fairness and equality in the UK was grasped. I think we would have felt terrible if the negative campaigning of a small minority had been sufficient to cause parliament to lose its resolve to do the right thing - and we were going to do all we could to make sure that didn't happen.
I think you ought to look up the term conspiracy theory. I have already said that we are dealing with a small section of pathological axe grinders within a small section of pathological axe grinders............This is no Warren Commission scenario no matter ho w big and influential you boys gussy me up to be.

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Re: Indifference to equality in civil partnership.
« Reply #110 on: January 23, 2016, 09:04:58 AM »
The only thing mythical about them is consistent support for the equality argument rather than using it for antitheist purposes already on this thread the suggestion seems to have been made that civil partnership is a non issue, one that will die a death and one where there isn't the right amount of suffering involved to warrant the equality issue.

You're conflating the issue with Parliament's likelihood of doing something about it. You also still haven't actually produced one of these wolf in sheep's clothing anti-theists, yet.

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The droves of those willing to take the inequality of the churc to task have similarly vanished.

Really? I think you need to read more.

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It looks like humbuggery therefore by some atheists I'm afraid.

Just atheists? Not 'anti-theists'? Looks like back-pedalling, therefore, from some Vlad, I'm afraid...

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Re: Indifference to equality in civil partnership.
« Reply #111 on: January 23, 2016, 09:26:11 AM »
I think you ought to look up the term conspiracy theory. I have already said that we are dealing with a small section of pathological axe grinders within a small section of pathological axe grinders............This is no Warren Commission scenario no matter ho w big and influential you boys gussy me up to be.
I don't need to look it up - the term conspiracy theorist fits you perfectly. The notion of a tiny, tiny, tiny number of people who are unable to accept the obvious truth and prefer to conjure a bizarre alternative world in which some people are out to get them.

'pathological axe grinder' - interesting term - there is only one person on these boards who seems to fit that bill, and that's you Vlad with your continual 'pathological axe grinding' about this fantasy group of people you call anti theists who in you warped world seem to be continually out to get you and your religion.

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Re: Indifference to equality in civil partnership.
« Reply #112 on: January 23, 2016, 09:30:51 AM »
I don't need to look it up - the term conspiracy theorist fits you perfectly. The notion of a tiny, tiny, tiny number of people who are unable to accept the obvious truth and prefer to conjure a bizarre alternative world in which some people are out to get them.

'pathological axe grinder' - interesting term - there is only one person on these boards who seems to fit that bill, and that's you Vlad with your continual 'pathological axe grinding' about this fantasy group of people you call anti theists who in you warped world seem to be continually out to get you and your religion.
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Re: Indifference to equality in civil partnership.
« Reply #113 on: January 23, 2016, 09:33:31 AM »
Ah I love the sound of barrels being scraped in the morning.

No doubt, Vlad: so you really need to avoid spending quite so much of your time scuttling about the bottoms of barrels.