Death Hell Problems stalk the unbeliever

[Outrider]

My Beliefs are perfectly sound so here they are,

Imagine my unconstrained joy...

first of all many good Christians have left this forum,

Is that they are good and Christian, or good at being Christian, because with your definition of Christian I'm not sure those are necessarily the same thing.

simply because they have seen you goats are a waste of space,

Really? I'd have thought we were a more than adequate source of varied opinions and points of view, or were they coming here thinking the point was to try to convert people rather than explore other views?

they have also noticed that God has hardened your hearts,and salvation is nigh on impossible for you goats,so alas they have moved on.

If God has hardened our hearts, surely our goatishness (goaticity?) is God's work? Salvation from what, preachy Christians?

They see you searching for evidence to deny God,

No, just for evidence. That's the way it works, evidence isn't 'for' or 'against' anything, it's just evidence.

and see you believing in evolution which there is not a scrap of evidence for.

If there weren't evidence, you're right, we'd be believing in it. Instead, we're accepting that the logical conclusion of watching evolution happen is that evolution happens. Evolution is not in question, evolution is an observed phenomenon, like gravity, or rain. The Theory of Evolution is an explanation of how that evolution probably occurs, and is supported by an immense body of evidence.

But when considered Satan has you in his grip,deception is the active word.

If God has hardened our hearts, isn't it his will that we be in Satan's grasp? Aren't you being defiant by trying to change that?

How do you know it's Satan and not one of the other great evils: Baal, Tiamat, Gargamel...?

Also God is today judging this country and America. We see this country falling apart,one report showed 23 people living in one house in squalor and the cry goes out bring them in fill the country,and the infrastructure buckles,we have a NHS and some people have no doctors,bring on the de-creation of this God-less country.

So God is judging this country because we're abandoning religion by having a situation where 23 people is an outrage sufficient to get into the news, whilst the devout nations of sub-Saharan Africa are being blessed with that as the norm in places where it's only exceptional because people don't have houses at all...

May look in tomorrow.

Why bother looking when you choose not to see?

O.

[floo]

If sanity were the qualifications for this forum, jakswan would be better off.

Ehhhhhhhhhhh?

[Nearly Sane]

Ehhhhhhhhhhh?

There is a charge for the forum that jakswan pays. If only sane people were to post then, I doubt it would cost anything.   

[ippy]

I have met in person, and on-line, many hell and damnation merchants in my time, and none of them seem very happy. Maybe they are actually scared they will end up in the place they are condemning others to!

I would love to see that French comedian Jacques Tati doing a good job of parodying ~TW~ wearing his "A" board, with the overhead signboard up, the whole monty, I can see the state he would have got into playing the part, it makes me smile thinking about it

How many days a week do you reckon ~TW~ dons the boards Floo?   

ippy

[Sassy]

It is sometimes the bravest thing to do, warn others and yet it can also be the most irritating to none believers.
But manners and treating others properly is not just for those who have faith but this thread would so far  prove that theory wrong. Seems there is very little truth that Atheists can treat others properly in all circumstances. This thread is a testimony that like giving pearls to pigs they trample over them too. Not knowing or having any understanding of value or why they should not be mishandled or treated.

TW should keep his pearls of wisdom to himself. And the Atheists should stop reacting like dumb animals and express the truth they profess to treat others properly.

[Rhiannon]

Sass, why don't you try to lead by example when it comes to manners and treating people properly? It'd be interesting to see how long you could keep it up for.

[Bubbles]

It is sometimes the bravest thing to do, warn others and yet it can also be the most irritating to none believers.
But manners and treating others properly is not just for those who have faith but this thread would so far  prove that theory wrong. Seems there is very little truth that Atheists can treat others properly in all circumstances. This thread is a testimony that like giving pearls to pigs they trample over them too. Not knowing or having any understanding of value or why they should not be mishandled or treated.

TW should keep his pearls of wisdom to himself. And the Atheists should stop reacting like dumb animals and express the truth they profess to treat others properly.

Sassy, I don't agree.

TW has put his "message" in such a way that not only shows a huge contempt for other posters who refuse to see things the way he does, but also that he has no intention of "saving" anyone, (more he's sticking the knife in glee at the fate of other posters on this board.)

He hasn't put it in a caring way has he?


He's reaped what he's sown IMO. ( which is a phrase that originated in the bible )

[floo]

It is sometimes the bravest thing to do, warn others and yet it can also be the most irritating to none believers.
But manners and treating others properly is not just for those who have faith but this thread would so far  prove that theory wrong. Seems there is very little truth that Atheists can treat others properly in all circumstances. This thread is a testimony that like giving pearls to pigs they trample over them too. Not knowing or having any understanding of value or why they should not be mishandled or treated.

TW should keep his pearls of wisdom to himself. And the Atheists should stop reacting like dumb animals and express the truth they profess to treat others properly.

Warning others about fanciful nonsense, which has no evidence to substantiate it is like warning people of the bogeyman under the bed!

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Warning others about fanciful nonsense, which has no evidence to substantiate it is like warning people of the bogeyman under the bed!

Is that where you put your bogeys then Floo?

[Ricky Spanish]

"..they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk."

Silver or Gold Jesus' on a wooden cross. Silver crosses, wooden crosses, bronze crosses, gold crosses. Wooden Jesus' on bronze crosses - the list is endless and that is just Jesus.

Seems to me there is a fuckload of Idol worshipping in Church and some act like daemons..

 

[Spud]

When are you going to learn that the god that you hold so dear is despised and hated by most people - and not just those on this forum - as a barbaric, vindictive, sadistic, tyranical arsehole and you, my friend (NOT), are quite clearly incapable of independant thought in, one, believing that the bible is anything other than a work of 2,000 year old Chinese Whispers and two, believing your god to be otherwise.

You could always list God's good attributes which can be known just by looking out of the window. It sounds as though you have never even been outside.

[Shaker]

You could always list God's good attributes which can be known just by looking out of the window.

That's called the natural world (or just 'world' as I like to call it, as I don't know of any non-natural world), and as ever when deployed by somebody trying to advance it as an argument for the existence of God it's a disastrous non-starter, relying as it invariably does on massively selective attention to what is perceived to be nice while conveniently ignoring the nasty bits. Kittens, roses, rainbows and sunsets are in, rectal cancer and the West Nile virus are out. Well, sorry, but the world is the world, and if you're trying to claim that a conscious intelligent agent is responsible for it, that includes everything, otherwise you stand accused of being (a) selective to the nth degree and (b) suffering from terminal confirmation bias.

[floo]

You could always list God's good attributes which can be known just by looking out of the window. It sounds as though you have never even been outside.

The deity has NO good attributes! Thank goodness decent humans didn't follow its cr*p example!

[Shaker]

While there is life on earth, the good outweighs the bad.

I'm sure you live in a nice warm house with central heating, double glazing, plenty in the fridge freezer and the cupboards so that's easy for you to say. For the vast majority of sentient beings - I mean that literally; I'm not confining myself to human beings alone here - that's merely sentimental bullshit, as Vlad would say if he wasn't such a monumental hypocrite. The bad - pain; fear; hunger; fatigue and the like - has always massively outweighed whatever good there undoubtedly is. Sheer numbers have it so, for starters, given the literally incalculable number of sentient creatures which have ever existed on this planet.

[Leonard James]

That's called the natural world (or just 'world' as I like to call it, as I don't know of any non-natural world), and as ever when deployed by somebody trying to advance it as an argument for the existence of God it's a disastrous non-starter, relying as it invariably does on massively selective attention to what is perceived to be nice while conveniently ignoring the nasty bits. Kittens, roses, rainbows and sunsets are in, rectal cancer and the West Nile virus are out. Well, sorry, but the world is the world, and if you're trying to claim that a conscious intelligent agent is responsible for it, that includes everything, otherwise you stand accused of being (a) selective to the nth degree and (b) suffering from terminal confirmation bias.

Well, that's why "God" invented Satan ... to be his knock-down man. 

[Owlswing]

You could always list God's good attributes which can be known just by looking out of the window. It sounds as though you have never even been outside.

Don't talk twaddle!

I am Pagan and my deities are everywhere and in everything around me! My 'church' can be anywhere, my garden, the local park, Epping Forest, the New Forest, the bus shelter as I wait for my bus into town and I use them all frequently - even when it is cold and wet - there are very few "fair-weather" pagans around.

[Spud]

I'm sure you live in a nice warm house with central heating, double glazing, plenty in the fridge freezer and the cupboards so that's easy for you to say. For the vast majority of sentient beings - I mean that literally; I'm not confining myself to human beings alone here - that's merely sentimental bullshit, as Vlad would say if he wasn't such a monumental hypocrite. The bad - pain; fear; hunger; fatigue and the like - has always massively outweighed whatever good there undoubtedly is. Sheer numbers have it so, for starters, given the literally incalculable number of sentient creatures which have ever existed on this planet.

Yes my house is warm today, thankfully. We had a power cut two weeks ago for a whole day. We used candles for light, had no heating but if the builder had been sensible he would have added a chimney so we would have lit a fire. We kept our food fresh by putting it outside. Houses in Bulgaria have thick walls to keep in heat, and a well for water. The allotments are just down the road.
Best of all, no TV or internet! So we survived and had a friend round for a while. I guess if it was like that every day life would be harder than it is now but there would be less technical problems. Technology is basically man doing his job of subduing the earth.
Birds have nice thick plumage to keep them warm. Other creatures hibernate.

[Spud]

Don't talk twaddle!

I am Pagan and my deities are everywhere and in everything around me! My 'church' can be anywhere, my garden, the local park, Epping Forest, the New Forest, the bus shelter as I wait for my bus into town and I use them all frequently - even when it is cold and wet - there are very few "fair-weather" pagans around.

My point is that God, who created the things you call 'deities', is good.

[Shaker]

Birds have nice thick plumage to keep them warm. Other creatures hibernate.

... which are evolutionary adaptations, but that's another story.

Birds and hibernating creatures still die in massive numbers if the food runs short or if it becomes too cold. They are still preyed upon by other creatures and spend much of their lives in a desperate scrabble for food and shelter or outright terror when at the top of some other creature's list of ideas for lunch. This is how it has always been and always will be. So much for the good outweighing the bad.

[Shaker]

My point is that God, who created the things you call 'deities', is good.

So why do we not see rather more and more consistent evidence for this stance than we actually do?

[Owlswing]

My point is that God, who created the things you call 'deities', is good.

No wonder you are called "Spud" - this statement could only have been made by someoine with the intellectual capacity of a potato - my deities existed and were worshipped thousands of years before some idiot invented yours.

[Shaker]

No wonder you are called "Spud" - this statement could only have been made by someoine with the intellectual capacity of a potato

Sorry but I LOL'd 

[Leonard James]

No wonder you are called "Spud" - this statement could only have been made by someoine with the intellectual capacity of a potato - my deities exited and were worshipped thousands of years before some idiot invented yours.

The exit of any god is welcomed! (and I don't mean its arse)

[Owlswing]

The exit of any god is welcomed! (and I don't mean its arse)

Thanks for that L J - I have corrected my typo.

[Leonard James]

Thanks for that L J - I have corrected my typo.

That's one post I should not have made!