Author Topic: Litvinenko and Putin (Read 7067 times)

Hope · « **on:** January 21, 2016, 12:05:31 PM »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35370819

Do you agree with Alexander Litvinenko's widow, that Putin, along with others in the Russian hierarchy ought to be banned from entering the UK as a result of their involvement in her husband's assassination?

Humph Warden Bennett · « **Reply #1 on:** January 22, 2016, 08:43:47 AM »

Quote from: Hope on January 21, 2016, 12:05:31 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35370819

Do you agree with Alexander Litvinenko's widow, that Putin, along with others in the Russian hierarchy ought to be banned from entering the UK as a result of their involvement in her husband's assassination?

If we have allowed Mugabe to enter, then to refuse to allow almost anybody else would be hypocritical.

floo · « **Reply #2 on:** January 22, 2016, 08:47:43 AM »

Quote from: Hope on January 21, 2016, 12:05:31 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35370819

Do you agree with Alexander Litvinenko's widow, that Putin, along with others in the Russian hierarchy ought to be banned from entering the UK as a result of their involvement in her husband's assassination?

I think it is highly likely.

Aruntraveller · « **Reply #3 on:** January 22, 2016, 09:13:57 AM »

Much though that would appear to be the principled thing to do - we do not unfortunately live in such a foreign place where principles can always be maintained.

The pressing issue in Syria will remain at the top of the international agenda and as Russia is a major player in this arena it would be difficult and probably unwise to alienate Putin and his horrible regime anymore than we already have done with yesterdays pronouncements.

Rhiannon · « **Reply #4 on:** January 22, 2016, 09:28:27 AM »

Agree with Trent. Sadly.

ad_orientem · « **Reply #5 on:** January 22, 2016, 09:31:33 AM »

I think that this just part of the targeted campaign against Russia and Putin. "Probably" equals guilty? Insane! But these are the anti-Christian forces at work against a Russian president who has repeatedly confirmed the importance of the Orthodox Church within the life of the Russian nation (while our western leaders do everything to erase every last vestige of Europe's Christian heritage) and has publicly vowed to protect Christians in the Middle-East.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #6 on:** January 22, 2016, 09:43:38 AM »

I have a real issue with this being done as a report that concludes 'probably'. If it were to brought up, it will be laughed at. We know for certain that Saudi oppresses and kills people for the views, and yet we sell them arms and support them getting a position on the Human Rights Committee at the U.N.

We could either just called out Russia on the basis that there aren't really any other suspects, or tried to do something in an international court (almost impossible in this case) but the report doesn't make the case stronger, it weakens it by being an obvious fig leaf with no effect and little, if any, precedent.

Hope · « **Reply #7 on:** January 22, 2016, 01:05:04 PM »

Quote from: ad_orientem on January 22, 2016, 09:31:33 AM

I think that this just part of the targeted campaign against Russia and Putin. "Probably" equals guilty? Insane! But these are the anti-Christian forces at work against a Russian president who has repeatedly confirmed the importance of the Orthodox Church within the life of the Russian nation (while our western leaders do everything to erase every last vestige of Europe's Christian heritage) and has publicly vowed to protect Christians in the Middle-East.

Yet, the problem is that in supporting Assad, Putin has also been involved in attacking opponents of Assad, some of whom are Christians. The sad thing in a way is that Putin seems to have an extremely narrow definition of 'Christian', as well as appearing to have in 'in for' an ethnic group - the Kurds - who are perfectly legitimately seeking a land of their own.

Owlswing · « **Reply #8 on:** January 22, 2016, 01:16:29 PM »

Quote from: ad_orientem on January 22, 2016, 09:31:33 AM

I think that this just part of the targeted campaign against Russia and Putin. "Probably" equals guilty? Insane! But these are the anti-Christian forces at work against a Russian president who has repeatedly confirmed the importance of the Orthodox Church within the life of the Russian nation (while our western leaders do everything to erase every last vestige of Europe's Christian heritage) and has publicly vowed to protect Christians in the Middle-East.

Putin has vowed a lot of things and then - as soon as it suits him - conveniently forgotten said vows.

The man is, first and foremost, a politician, second he is a Russian whose power base is mostly those who held power behind the scenes during the Communist era. When Putin no longer needs the support of the Orthodox Church he will dump it like a piece of used toilet paper - rather like he dumped Litvinenko.

Shaker · « **Reply #9 on:** January 22, 2016, 01:34:16 PM »

Quote from: Owlswing on January 22, 2016, 01:16:29 PM

Putin has vowed a lot of things and then - as soon as it suits him - conveniently forgotten said vows.

The man is, first and foremost, a politician, second he is a Russian whose power base is mostly those who held power behind the scenes during the Communist era. When Putin no longer needs the support of the Orthodox Church he will dump it like a piece of used toilet paper - rather like he dumped Litvinenko.

I recall that Stalin wanted the Church on side when and only when it suited his purposes, in precisely the same way.

ad_orientem · « **Reply #10 on:** January 22, 2016, 01:55:14 PM »

A lot of if's and but's based upon nothing but prejudice and no room for good will, much like this judge's "probably".

Shaker · « **Reply #11 on:** January 22, 2016, 01:56:49 PM »

Quote from: ad_orientem on January 22, 2016, 01:55:14 PM

A lot of if's and but's based upon nothing but prejudice and no room for good will

Irony, thy name is ad_o

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #12 on:** January 22, 2016, 03:08:09 PM »

I see Gorgeous George Galloway has declared it was Goody Israel

Shaker · « **Reply #13 on:** January 22, 2016, 03:54:01 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on January 22, 2016, 03:08:09 PM

I see Gorgeous George Galloway has declared it was Goody Israel

Needless to say.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #14 on:** January 22, 2016, 03:56:03 PM »

Quote from: Shaker on January 22, 2016, 03:54:01 PM

Needless to say.

And yet still worth saying. To be fair Litvinenko was a sort of GGG for Russia, given they were responsible for all the things that George thought Israel did.

Jack Knave · « **Reply #15 on:** January 22, 2016, 08:10:32 PM »

I'm not too sure what the fuss is about. Litvinenko was Russian and I'm sure if he had had the chance would have taken power in Russia as Putin has. No doubt his rift with Putin was over this kind of thing.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #16 on:** January 22, 2016, 08:13:16 PM »

Quote from: Jack Knave on January 22, 2016, 08:10:32 PM

I'm not too sure what the fuss is about. Litvinenko was Russian and I'm sure if he had had the chance would have taken power in Russia as Putin has. No doubt his rift with Putin was over this kind of thing.

nope

Jack Knave · « **Reply #17 on:** January 22, 2016, 08:24:31 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on January 22, 2016, 08:13:16 PM

nope

What? he wasn't Russian?

Owlswing · « **Reply #18 on:** January 22, 2016, 09:23:14 PM »

Quote from: Jack Knave on January 22, 2016, 08:24:31 PM

What? he wasn't Russian?

Yes, of course he was; but he was not a politician.

He was an Anti-Organised Crime Squad cop. He and some colleagues accused high ranking politicians of ordering the assassination of a crime syndicate boss, probably to protect their own skins.

Livinenko was arrested and charged with something or other and eventually came to London and worked with British Intelligence.

He wrote a book, or maybe two, and accused various people in the cops, army, and politics of using violence to help get Putin elected.

When he died Putin was Suspect Numero Uno. And, apparently, still is.

Shaker · « **Reply #19 on:** January 22, 2016, 11:06:45 PM »

Quote from: Jack Knave on January 22, 2016, 08:10:32 PM

I'm not too sure what the fuss is about. Litvinenko was Russian and I'm sure if he had had the chance would have taken power in Russia as Putin has.

Isn't this "If Alan Kurdi had lived he would have have been a rapist"?

ad_orientem · « **Reply #20 on:** January 23, 2016, 04:35:45 AM »

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/01/today-assumed-putins-russia-killed-litvinenko-looked.html

Owlswing · « **Reply #21 on:** January 23, 2016, 05:46:32 AM »

Quote from: ad_orientem on January 23, 2016, 04:35:45 AM

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/01/today-assumed-putins-russia-killed-litvinenko-looked.html

From a Blog that specialises in conspiracy theories about the various Western Governments, especially the U S Government, I quote from the above article

Quote . . . But then conspiracy theories don’t have to make sense . . . End quote

So one journalist, a journalist who is as biased against the US as is the poster who quotes his article, discovers in one day that a report that took months to compile from evidence from dozens of witnesses is wrong and he, all on his little lonesome, has uncovered the truth.

Yeah - and the Sun revolves around the Earth sand Donald Trump talks sense.

ad_orientem · « **Reply #22 on:** January 23, 2016, 06:17:14 AM »

Quote from: Owlswing on January 23, 2016, 05:46:32 AM

From a Blog that specialises in conspiracy theories about the various Western Governments, especially the U S Government, I quote from the above article

Quote . . . But then conspiracy theories don’t have to make sense . . . End quote

So one journalist, a journalist who is as biased against the US as is the poster who quotes his article, discovers in one day that a report that took months to compile from evidence from dozens of witnesses is wrong and he, all on his little lonesome, has uncovered the truth.

Yeah - and the Sun revolves around the Earth sand Donald Trump talks sense.

I'm sure you believe everything your government tell you like a good little slave. It is clear that there is a campaign against Russia and Putin and this is just part of it. It all has to do with sour grapes on the part of western governments concerning Syria and Ukraine.

Owlswing · « **Reply #23 on:** January 23, 2016, 03:30:24 PM »

Quote from: ad_orientem on January 23, 2016, 06:17:14 AM

I'm sure you believe everything your government tell you like a good little slave. It is clear that there is a campaign against Russia and Putin and this is just part of it. It all has to do with sour grapes on the part of western governments concerning Syria and Ukraine.

I cannot believe that even you are that thick!

Livinenko died ages before Syria and IS - and Putin was a suspect from the day Litvienko was attacked - long before the poor bastard died of radiation poisoning!

ad_orientem · « **Reply #24 on:** January 23, 2016, 03:46:44 PM »

Oh yeah! And all only "probably"! LOL!

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Author Topic: Litvinenko and Putin (Read 7067 times)

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