A two year old child's prayer!

[Sriram]

Hi everyone,

Here is a two year old child's prayer when she is all alone in bed...seen through the monitor cameras.

http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/31054025/parents-capture-childs-long-prayer-on-baby-monitor

Cute... and shows that  such small children can comprehend the idea of an abstract God and relate to it.

Great... I must say!.

Cheers.

Sriram

[Gonnagle]

Dear Sriram,

Amen to that old son

The usual suspects will be along in a mo with cries of indoctrination and child cruelty.

Gonnagle.

[floo]

My grandson, then two, challenged his mother as to why she believed in Jesus as she couldn't see, hear or feel him.

[Shaker]

Dear Sriram,

Amen to that old son

The usual suspects will be along in a mo with cries of indoctrination and child cruelty.

Well it certainly wasn't spontaneous that's for sure:

"We were shocked at how long her prayer was when we captured this because she rushes through her prayers with us every night," said Kathryn.

[Nearly Sane]

My grandson, then two, challenged his mother as to why she believed in Jesus as she couldn't see, hear or feel him.

We've got two bid, two bid, who;s going to go younger, give me younger, youngest baby saying something wins!

Argumentum ad baby is a new one.

[floo]

We've got two bid, two bid, who;s going to go younger, give me younger, youngest baby saying something wins!

Argumentum ad baby is a new one.

Ehhhhhhhhhh?

[SusanDoris]

And the idea that any two-year-old child, however inteligent,  can comprehend the idea of an abstract god and relate to it ... well, that's justdaft.

[Nearly Sane]

And the idea that any two-year-old child, however inteligent,  can comprehend the idea of an abstract god and relate to it ... well, that's justdaft.

Argument from incredulity. Though I will add what is an 'abstract god' is it like a Mondrian, or is it more Kandinsky?

[Shaker]

Argument from incredulity.

No it isn't, actually.

[Nearly Sane]

Ehhhhhhhhhh?

Trying to point out that use the words of babes and sucklings as an argument, while it might have a history isn't a much copy. And I was trying to use the auction reference to parody quite how ridiculous an attempt to cite a younger or equivalent aged child was.

[Nearly Sane]

No it isn't, actually.

Just declaring something as 'just daft' is exactly that. No justification other than the asserted daftness.

[Gordon]

This is just learned behaviour without any real understanding, and I'd imagine anyone who has been involved in the day-to-day routine of young children will realise this.

My youngest grandson is currently going through a Toy Story phase and often exclaims 'To Infinity and Beyond' whenever (and wherever) the mood takes him, and I'd say that this prayer example is of no greater relevance or really merits public interest, since most young children are this type of 'cute': but then we are talking Fox here, so might there be an agenda! 

[Shaker]

Just declaring something as 'just daft' is exactly that. No justification other than the asserted daftness.

I was thinking that when we have members here who are fifty-two (and well over) stating that they're unable to comprehend what the god they claim to believe in actually is (and seeming to make this somehow almost praiseworthy), that this would be true of a two year old seemed pretty much a given.

[floo]

And the idea that any two-year-old child, however inteligent,  can comprehend the idea of an abstract god and relate to it ... well, that's justdaft.

Well my grandson certainly did, he is highly intelligent as well as having Asperger's syndrome.

[Rhiannon]

Ew. Deeply creepy story.

But then my middle child used to lie in bed aged two and recite the words to Dear Zoo completely perfectly. Amazing spiritual insight into snakes being to scwawy.

[Nearly Sane]

I was thinking that when we have members here who are fifty-two (and well over) stating that they're unable to comprehend what the god they claim to believe in actually is (and seeming to make this somehow almost praiseworthy), that this would be true of a two year old seemed pretty much a given.

As I added in the post, I don't really have much clue as to what is meant by 'abstract god', but in order to think it is daft we have to be incredulous that anyone could conceive if what is meant, and that a two year old couldn't. I don't see just declaring something as daft is any less of an incredulity argument than Leonard or Alan's for free will.

The point here surely is that whatever a two, fifty two or a hundred and two year old does or says isn't any form of argument for or against anything (other that a person of that age does that thing)

[Nearly Sane]

Ah so no intellectuals can have imagination, or all imaginative people must be thick? I'm not at all sure what you use the word intellectual to mean, Rose.

[floo]

Our grandson never believed in fairies etc, or even Father Christmas, which was a bit sad. Mind you our eldest daughter worked out for herself when she was three that Father Christmas couldn't possibly get around all the kids in one night, and it must be her Daddy pretending to be him!

[Outrider]

Our grandson never believed in fairies etc, or even Father Christmas, which was a bit sad. Mind you our eldest daughter worked out for herself when she was three that Father Christmas couldn't possibly get around all the kids in one night, and it must be her Daddy pretending to be him!

Our son was about twelve by the time we felt we had to break the illusion and save him the embarrassment at school.

At that point he was under the impression that, as the world population had grown, St Nich' had expanded into franchising, and most parents around the world earned a few extra pounds each year wrapping presents for Santa Inc.

O.

[SusanDoris]

Any apparent comprehension of a God/god in  a two-year-old is learnt behaviour, and I would assert probably parrot-fashion, from instruction by adults.
A child will only believe that such an idea is true if taught to do so by adults.
The vocabulary required to comprehend anything about  such an idea as God is well beyond a two-year-old.
I didn't bother to try and track it down, but I'm pretty  certain I've read about children's ages and a bstract thought.
|I did not even try to watch whatever was on the link - a child who is filmed saying a prayer is, in my opinion, being exploited.

It's not 'cute' or 'sweet'; if anything such things are cringe-making.

Thank you, Shaker - I think I was arguing from scientific info!!

[Rhiannon]

I was thinking that when we have members here who are fifty-two (and well over) stating that they're unable to comprehend what the god they claim to believe in actually is (and seeming to make this somehow almost praiseworthy), that this would be true of a two year old seemed pretty much a given.

A two year old just about has the understanding that a person who leaves will eventually reappear. The concept of an unseen father god? No.

My son could recite numbers to twenty aged 18 months. That doesn't mean he understood what those numbers meant.

[Rhiannon]

Good read here.

http://deltaflute.blogspot.co.uk/2011/10/abstract-thinking-cognitive-development.html?m=1

[SusanDoris]

I think children do things like that, because they have vast amounts of imagination and little experience.

Imagining God is just as easy as imagining Santa, fairies, or other things they have been told about.

Please explain. How can a child imagine God? What picture do you think a two-year-old would have in his/her mind?


It is quite different from riding an imaginary horse. No adult has told a child that this imaginary horse lives in something called heaven, answers prayers, loves you and all other humans, etc etc

[Nearly Sane]

Where did that definition of intellectual come from?

[Rhiannon]

A two year old can only imagine God as presented to them by adults in a picture book. It's why many of us grew up with the idea of God being an old man with a beard.

A four year old can however.