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More US election stuff
« on: January 28, 2016, 03:44:26 PM »
Interesting interview though over dramatic title


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Re: More US election stuff
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2016, 03:59:32 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2016, 02:53:21 PM »

Interesting if quite geeky article.

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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2016, 06:46:28 PM »
The Iowa caucus results are very interesting. Certainly feels like a Rubio Candidacy is  a good shout. While Sanders did well as opposed to where he was a few weeks ago, still feels like Hillary for the Dems. Sanders needs to win big in New Hampshire and do something about his polling in black voters

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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2016, 10:10:11 PM »
The Iowa caucus results are very interesting. Certainly feels like a Rubio Candidacy is  a good shout. While Sanders did well as opposed to where he was a few weeks ago, still feels like Hillary for the Dems. Sanders needs to win big in New Hampshire and do something about his polling in black voters
I haven't been following Hilary's campaign as much as perhaps I could have done, but friends (American and Democrat at that) are saying that she's somewhat stuck in the 90s (and that's not percentage-wise).
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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2016, 02:43:07 PM »
The Iowa caucus results are very interesting. Certainly feels like a Rubio Candidacy is  a good shout. While Sanders did well as opposed to where he was a few weeks ago, still feels like Hillary for the Dems. Sanders needs to win big in New Hampshire and do something about his polling in black voters
I'm not a betting man, but Rubio is surely the smart bet now.

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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2016, 03:23:42 PM »
Hard to believe Clinton won six coin tosses to snatch the Iowa nomination. Must be her amazing pant suits.
And her as President? Oh joy! Starting a nuclear war will hinge on a coin toss. But thank God that won't happen, a Republican will be in the white house in about a years time.

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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2016, 03:45:05 PM »
a Republican will be in the white house in about a years time.
If they select a more moderate candidate such as Rubio then quite possibly. If they go for Trump or Cruz not a chance.

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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2016, 03:48:07 PM »
Hard to believe Clinton won six coin tosses to snatch the Iowa nomination. Must be her amazing pant suits.
And her as President? Oh joy! Starting a nuclear war will hinge on a coin toss. But thank God that won't happen, a Republican will be in the white house in about a years time.

You're worried about someone starting a nuclear war from the White House, so you want a Republican... I must be missing something here.

Which of Rubio, Trump and Cruz do you think is less of a hawk than Clinton or Sanders?

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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2016, 03:57:06 PM »
Ya, you missed your history lesson on the day the Cuban missile crisis was examined. And you missed the fact that Iran can go for the nuclear missile thingy all they want in ten years time. I believe just having a republican sitting in the white house is a nuclear deterrent.


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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2016, 04:00:36 PM »
Ya, you missed your history lesson on the day the Cuban missile crisis was examined. And you missed the fact that Iran can go for the nuclear missile thingy all they want in ten years time. I believe just having a republican sitting in the white house is a nuclear deterrent.

Right... you aren't the guy that's put Trump up for a Nobel Peace Prize for his 'vigorous peace through strength' ideology, are you?

This shoot first, shoot again, don't bother asking questions later Republican mentality is what led to the breakdown in Afghanistan, Iraq and the like in the first place, feeding Isis its hardware and personnel.

You can believe Republicans are a deterrent as much as you'd like, I don't think the evidence of recent history supports that belief. I'm hoping we don't have to find out, and whichever candidate gets the Democratic nomination carries the day.

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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2016, 04:08:33 PM »
Too funny, now pay attention Mr. Out. Mr Trump will not be president of the USA.

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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2016, 04:12:31 PM »
Thanks for reminding me of the regrets there are that they gave Obama a little prize for absolutely nothing but his yap.

As I stated, Iran will be free to have as many nuclear bombs as it wants in ten yrs.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/09/18/former-top-nobel-official-says-maybe-obamas-peace-prize-was-not-such-a-good-idea/72396794/


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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2016, 04:13:56 PM »
Too funny, now pay attention Mr. Out. Mr Trump will not be president of the USA.

There's something that we can all be thankful for, of course, and although either Cruz or Rubio would be a massive improvement, neither of them is as good as either of the Democrat options, either for the majority of the American populace or for the rest of the world.

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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2016, 04:24:02 PM »
There's something that we can all be thankful for, of course, and although either Cruz or Rubio would be a massive improvement, neither of them is as good as either of the Democrat options, either for the majority of the American populace or for the rest of the world.

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Not sure I would agree that Cruz would be an improvement on Trump.

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« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2016, 04:28:26 PM »
I think Cruz is the improvement over the Demo options. The old communist Bernie or that, stand by your man crook Clinton.

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« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2016, 10:48:10 AM »
Not sure I would agree that Cruz would be an improvement on Trump.
I think just about anyone would be an improvement on Trump. The terrifying thing is that he actually stands a chance  :o
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« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2016, 11:48:35 AM »
I think Cruz is the improvement over the Demo options.

I'm trying to parse that, but I can't see how it works. You do understand we mean TED Cruz, right, and not Penelope Cruz?

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The old communist Bernie

I think you might misunderstand what 'Communism' is.

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or that, stand by your man crook Clinton.

Yes, it says a lot about her political stance that she repaired her marriage after her husband's infidelity... not any of it particularly bad, of course...

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« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2016, 12:16:13 PM »
I think just about anyone would be an improvement on Trump. The terrifying thing is that he actually stands a chance  :o
The scary thing is that I'm not sure I agree.

Trump comes across as completely objectionable, but I suspect a lot of this is 'front'. I imagine that behind all that bravado he is relatively pragmatic in his views - I don't really think he is an ideologue.

That isn't the same for Cruz or Carson, who are religious right extremist ideologues of the n-th degree. Have a look at this web-site from an ultra conservative source, so if they like the candidate's position we should be running screaming away from them. Compare their almost unanimously positive view on Cruz with their more lukewarm support for the extreme rightwing-ness of Trump.

https://www.conservativereview.com/2016-presidential-candidates

Although the notion of a Trump presidency scares me rigid, the notion of a Cruz one scares me even more.

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« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2016, 12:44:43 PM »
Interesting article from the BBC website

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35406324
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« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2016, 03:18:09 PM »



I think it will be a Democrat finally.  I was thinking Clinton...but not sure now. Could be Sanders.

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« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2016, 04:23:52 PM »
First thing Cruz has going for him is that he was born right here in my city. But seriously,  I see nothing in his bio that would stop me from voting for him.


http://www.biography.com/people/ted-cruz

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« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2016, 04:37:57 PM »
First thing Cruz has going for him is that he was born right here in my city. But seriously,  I see nothing in his bio that would stop me from voting for him.


http://www.biography.com/people/ted-cruz
Which is almost certainly why many on this MB are terrified that he might end up as president.

Let's call him out on some of his uber-extremist right wing policies and views:

No funding for family planning services
Against equal marriage
Wants flat tax regime rather than a progressive system, so that a billionaire pays no more tax on his billionth $ than someone earning $10,000 does on their first
Climate change denier
Want to scrap even the hugely timid Obamacare provisions for universal healthcare
Wants to massively curtail or even ban abortion (potentially via constitutional amendment)
Totally biased in favour of Israel in the middle east.
Wants to encourage fossil fuel exploitation and reduce investment in renewable and sustainable energy
Active opponent of any change to restrict gun use
Anti-union
Anti minimum wage

The guy is a nightmare.

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« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2016, 05:22:08 PM »