More US election stuff

[Nearly Sane]

Brownie, the whole push on this is not about the President banning abortion but about the appointments to the Supreme Court. There is one outstanding to be made and the possibility of maybe 4 more. If that were to happen it might be possible to choose a court that would revoke Roe vs Wade

[Aruntraveller]

Ehhhhhhhhhhh?

Nor sarcasm apparently.

[floo]

Nor sarcasm apparently.

Sorry I am not sure what the heck you are on about? I thought my comment about a woman's right to decide on a termination of pregnancy quite reasonable. Men might know about pregnancy in theory, but unless you have been pregnant have no idea what a woman has to go through to produce a child!

[Brownie]

Brownie, the whole push on this is not about the President banning abortion but about the appointments to the Supreme Court. There is one outstanding to be made and the possibility of maybe 4 more. If that were to happen it might be possible to choose a court that would revoke Roe vs Wade

Thanks NS, I am not as well up on the mechanics of the political system in the USA.  However I can't see that happening somehow.   We'll see.

Floo, what you said was not unreasonable from many points of view.  I'm sure neither of us actually like the idea of abortion but I'm actually inclined to agree with you.    However there are other POVs that deserve consideration, it's not a black or white issue.  If everything was either black or white there would be no discussion.  A bit like when we were at school (or me anyway), and we were told "This is how it is, end of".

[Nearly Sane]

Thanks NS, I am not as well up on the mechanics of the political system in the USA.  However I can't see that happening somehow.   We'll see.

The President nominates candidates for the Supremes that have to be approved by Senate. There is 1 vacancy currently  after the death of Scalia. This leaves the court currently made up of what is perceived as 4 liberals, 3 conservative and 1 swing voter. Due to the age of 2 of the liberal wing, 83 and 78, and the one 'swinger' 80, there is a good chance that they may stand down in the next four years. That would give the next President the chance to have 4 appointees and change the make up to the court to possibly 2 liberal and 7 conservative. Now I doubt that all the 'conservative' judges would necessarily vote to outlaw abortion on a 'new Roe v Wade' case but if 4 of them had been picked primarily to do do, there is a strong chance 1 more of the others may follow suit.

[floo]

Thanks NS, I am not as well up on the mechanics of the political system in the USA.  However I can't see that happening somehow.   We'll see.

Floo, what you said was not unreasonable from many points of view.  I'm sure neither of us actually like the idea of abortion but I'm actually inclined to agree with you.    However there are other POVs that deserve consideration, it's not a black or white issue.  If everything was either black or white there would be no discussion.  A bit like when we were at school (or me anyway), and we were told "This is how it is, end of".

I wouldn't have chosen an abortion, but I defend a woman's right to have one. One of my daughters was deemed to have had a high chance of giving birth to a Down's Syndrome baby when she had her 16 week check with her third child. She would definitely have opted for an abortion if the amnio had  shown it to be the case, her husband was also of that opinion. As much as our girl loves her adopted DS brother, she didn't think she could rear a child with that condition herself. Fortunately the amnio showed her daughter, now 8, didn't have the condition. Her husband went and got the snip, as having other children would not have been wise.

[Brownie]

Much as I dislike the idea of abortion in many respects, it frightens me to think of the possibility of going back to a time when there was very little choice in the matter.  In our case, pre-1967.  From what I remember, it wasn't all that straightforward for two or three years after '67.  Unlike you, floo, I am sure I would have had an abortion had I felt it to be the lesser of two evils in a situation.  Imagining a scenario in which it was denied to me causes me to feel panic even now when I know it isn't going to happen.  Goodness knows what it does to those young enough to become pregnant.  I suppose they are confident they will take sufficient precautions so as not to conceive a child they can't care for;  that will be true of most - but we all know stuff happens.

I really hope the USA doesn't take a step backwards on this one, from what NS described it is at least a possibility.

[Jack Knave]

then why misrepresent what he was doing as not being the sort of financial instrument trading that you seem to despise? As to working hard, isn't that true of many politicians but they are 'elite', he is hard working. It's your double standards I am taking issue with.

I don't call all politicians elites, but most go into parties that are doing well and very few give up a very lucrative career to be in the backwaters of the game.

[Jack Knave]

Nobody is making him out as bad for that. What they are doing is pointing out that it makes him part of the elite that Brexit voters were allegedly protesting against.

No it does not because he left it to run UKIP.

He's done very nicely for himself as an MEP. His salary is looking even better right now,...

You sound jealous...?

[Nearly Sane]

I don't call all politicians elites, but most go into parties that are doing well and very few give up a very lucrative career to be in the backwaters of the game.

I think you don't understand egotism

[Jack Knave]

I think you don't understand egotism

Then Ghandi was a mega egotist!!! 

[Nearly Sane]

Then Ghandi was a mega egotist!!! 

you are right,Nigel is just like Ghandi

[Jack Knave]

you are right,Nigel is just like Ghandi

I'm glad you're coming round to seeing sense to how Farage has been a martyr to this Brexit issue!

[Nearly Sane]

I'm glad you're coming round to seeing sense to how Farage has been a martyr to this Brexit issue!

yeah, apparently Ghandi was a racist too

[Jack Knave]

yeah, apparently Ghandi was a racist too

Who mentioned racist? Remember, NS, you are not capable of making a judgment on your own; that would be an objective act. So first you would need to define what the word racist means and then discuss it with the 7 billion odd people on this planet to get a subjective consensus. Good luck with that one! 

[Nearly Sane]

Who mentioned racist? Remember, NS, you are not capable of making a judgment on your own; that would be an objective act. So first you would need to define what the word racist means and then discuss it with the 7 billion odd people on this planet to get a subjective consensus. Good luck with that one! 

No, a judgement is  a subjective act, never said anything else. You are a tad confused, again!

[SteveH]

odd people on this planet

most of whom post on this forum!

[floo]

most of whom post on this forum!

You must have found soulmates then!

[Jack Knave]

No, a judgement is  a subjective act, never said anything else. You are a tad confused, again!

You said that the only valid judgement was a consensus one, that individual subjective ones couldn't be relied on. You're moving the goal posts, something you do a lot.

[SweetPea]

Finally, Hillary's emails are going to be looked at again by the FBI.... and it's been reported in MSM. But there's something about the smug look on her face that says... 'I know something you don't'. No doubt, she'll get away with it.

[Sebastian Toe]

Finally, Hillary's emails are going to be looked at again by the FBI.... and it's been reported in MSM. But there's something about the smug look on her face that says... 'I know something you don't'. No doubt, she'll get away with it.

Get away with what exactly?

[wigginhall]

It'll be amazing if the FBI swing it for Trump.   Wow.   Of course, the conspiracy theorists and plain liars are now hot to trot in the US, and some over here.

[floo]

Many thought Dubya was a total prat, but he looks pretty good compared to that idiot Trump!

[wigginhall]

Well, the idiot currently has 44% of the vote, acc. to 538, and moving up. 

[floo]

Well, the idiot currently has 44% of the vote, acc. to 538, and moving up.

It is extremely worrying!