More US election stuff

[Sriram]

Just saw on CNN, school children in the US chanting...'White Power'...'Build the wall'....

Lot of simmering discontent surfacing, it seems.

We can't just blame Trump. We must remember that he only represents what the  majority feel....

Seems to be a world wide phenomenon too....which will get a shot in the arm with the coming of Trump.

[Jack Knave]

Unfortunately, JK, such views on a number of US Presidents have been proven wrong in the past.

Trump's in a class of his own. Also, interestingly, the BBC were asking whether he would last a term; as he may get agitated that he isn't getting his way and being allowed to do what he wants. I can see him doing a Brown and throwing his mobile about the office.

[Jack Knave]

It is a lie, imo. I see there a lots of protests against Trump all over the US, I don't remember that ever happening before when a President has been elected.

Sore losers, like the remoaners.

[Jack Knave]

Not even a performing monkey would be as bad a choice as Trump!

But it would out perform Hillary.

[Jack Knave]

Has anyone spelt out what the "plebs" actually want? Is it something achievable?

Revolution.

[Jack Knave]

I agree with a lot of what you say, JP, but I think that "the plebs"have their own problems, too.

Trump is promising to restore manufacturing jobs. What he isn't saying is that for the USA to be a major commodity goods manufacturer it will have to be able to compete with China (and other places) in the employment market. How many people will be prepared to receive third-world wages for the privilege of manufacturing their own products? For that matter, how many Americans will be prepared to pay realistic prices for goods not made in low-wage economies? (Of course, Trump could be just sloganising - like his meaningless "make America great again".)

Having said that, I think that one major error made in the UK was making main-grade nursing a graduate entry profession. There must have been many potential nurses for whom that was perceived as a barrier too many, having to stay at school in the sixth form ... and so on. The nurses imported from the rest of the world to keep the NHS going are among the reviled immigrants whose presence helped fuel the Brexit vote. The scatter gun given to "the plebs" scattered just a little too widely to be in "the plebs" best interest!

Higher prices means higher wages and a lot less for the rich venal elites. And this means more money in the economy and we all know that money makes the world go round - money velocity.

[Jack Knave]

How is he going to fund all those works?

The USA has been consistently in debt to the Chinese by over $1 trillion since 2010 - and he will block trade with China?

China aren't in TTP. And the US plan a bigger build up of military bases in the East. I don't think China are going to be too pleased. Some think that if WWIII starts it will most likely be in the East.

[wigginhall]

There you are, Farage strikes gold again, calling Obama a 'loathsome individual'.   And jokes about sexual assault.  Classy.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37934790

[Hope]

He's also talking about big tax cuts, as well, isn't he?  I guess he will borrow big time. 

From himself?   

[Brownie]

There you are, Farage strikes gold again, calling Obama a 'loathsome individual'.   And jokes about sexual assault.  Classy.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37934790

That is unbelievably vile, even for Farage.
How could anyone describe Barack Obama as a "loathsome individual", regardless of opinion about his governance?

Honestly, I despair of 'our countrymen' sometimes.

[SweetPea]

The Indy:

"Donald Trump's victory averted World War III, top Putin Aide claims" .... "Clinton was a symbol of war, and Trump has a chance to change this course”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/world-war-three-donald-trump-president-averted-putin-aide-claims-a7412111.html

There may be unrest on the streets but the cold war that was brewing with Obama, Clinton and Putin may have been prevented.

[jeremyp]

But that's not a lie.

Yes it is.

[jeremyp]

Hillary Clinton was as bad a choice as Donald Trump was.

Don't be so stupid.

A lot of Americans see her as a liar and responsible for the deaths of the embassy staff in Libya.

The fact is that she wasn't.

[jeremyp]

https://www.youtube.com/embed/GLG9g7BcjKs

About 6 mins of your time. Why Trump won by Jonathan Pie who is a satirical news reporter character created and played by actor Tom Walker

The second half of that was very insightful.

[jeremyp]

We can't just blame Trump. We must remember that he only represents what the  majority feel....

No he doesn't. He lost the popular vote.

[jeremyp]

Higher prices means higher wages

Not in manufacturing. In manufacturing, higher prices mean you go bankrupt, because people won't buy your stuff.

[jeremyp]

The Indy:

"Donald Trump's victory averted World War III, top Putin Aide claims" .... "Clinton was a symbol of war, and Trump has a chance to change this course”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/world-war-three-donald-trump-president-averted-putin-aide-claims-a7412111.html

There may be unrest on the streets but the cold war that was brewing with Obama, Clinton and Putin may have been prevented.

Do you honestly believe that? Putin loves Trump. He's lying.

[ad_orientem]

Do you honestly believe that?

Yes. It's true. Obama/Clinton are warmongers. As I wrote earlier on this thread "The real narrative goes like this. The US starts supporting rebels in various Arab countries, including Syria. Russia says no, this is not the way. The rebels gain momentum and Russia warns of the consequences saying, Assad might be a barstard but ISIS is worse. The US, in actions rather than words, says they prefer ISIS. Russia helps Assad. America gets pissed off. Anerica orchestrates a coup in Ukraine led by a group of neo-fascists. Russia responds. America gets even more pissed off like a big bully who doesn't get its way, and imposes sanctions and wants to expand its war machine, NATO, ever closer to Russia scaring people into thinking Russia will invade us all. Who is the aggressor? Who should I be afraid of? It's not Russia. This is all the work of Obama/Clinton and shady financial backers."

[jeremyp]

Yes. It's true. Obama/Clinton are warmongers.

I think you need to check your history.Only one president has led the USA into major wars in the 21st century and it's not Obama. The idea that Obama is a war monger and the gangster Putin is not is frankly laughable.

 

[ad_orientem]

I think you need to check your history.Only one president has led the USA into major wars in the 21st century and it's not Obama. The idea that Obama is a war monger and the gangster Putin is not is frankly laughable.

So Syria, Libya and Ukraine have nothing to do with Obama/Clinton then? You really do live in a bubble.

[Brownie]

Remember kids, a Trump is not just for Christmas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f37qzY4atTw

( Parody of John Lewis Christmas advert, non-UK may not 'get' it. )

[floo]

I think you need to check your history.Only one president has led the USA into major wars in the 21st century and it's not Obama. The idea that Obama is a war monger and the gangster Putin is not is frankly laughable.

Agreed.

[Sebastian Toe]

Remember kids, a Trump is not just for Christmas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f37qzY4atTw

( Parody of John Lewis Christmas advert, non-UK may not 'get' it. )

Brilliant, just fucking brilliant!

[Brownie]

Brilliant, just fucking brilliant!

Quite ( or even ordinary brilliant  )

[Sebastian Toe]

Quite ( or even ordinary brilliant  )

I see that some people are complaining about the original JL ad  because it is not 'sad enough ' !