More US election stuff

[Brownie]

Sebastian Toe: Quote from: Brownie on Today at 12:07:31 PM
Quite ( or even ordinary brilliant  )
I see that some people are complaining about the original JL ad  because it is not 'sad enough ' !

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Sad people who do not feel joy watching animals!  I think it's great.

[Sriram]

I don't know how many of you have heard Mike Pence's nomination speech. I just heard it. Its all Christian-iny...but I somehow like it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vVKWRK40Ts

Good to hear someone declare his faith with so much conviction.  People have stopped doing that in the neo liberal era.

[Brownie]

Thanks Sririam!  Here's a transcript for those who can't watch or listen atm :

https://www.bustle.com/articles/194243-heres-the-transcript-of-mike-pences-election-night-speech

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[Sriram]

Thanks Sririam!  Here's a transcript for those who can't watch or listen atm :

https://www.bustle.com/articles/194243-heres-the-transcript-of-mike-pences-election-night-speech

(I don't have any comment right now, will digest it properly later)

Hi Brownie,

What I have linked is the nomination speech....not the post election speech.  In the speech I have linked he is very articulate, clear and to the point. I somehow liked his conviction and direct style.

[Brownie]

I will listen to it later, atm my husband is doing stuff and I don't want to disturb him (any more than usual!).  Then I'll come back and comment.

[SweetPea]

Brownie.... that's a very good video. lol!


Sriram.... yes, wonderful testimony by Pence within that video, but I can't support his dispensational Christian Zionist beliefs. All the same he is sincere in his beliefs and comments.

[SweetPea]

Yes. It's true. Obama/Clinton are warmongers. As I wrote earlier on this thread "The real narrative goes like this. The US starts supporting rebels in various Arab countries, including Syria. Russia says no, this is not the way. The rebels gain momentum and Russia warns of the consequences saying, Assad might be a barstard but ISIS is worse. The US, in actions rather than words, says they prefer ISIS. Russia helps Assad. America gets pissed off. Anerica orchestrates a coup in Ukraine led by a group of neo-fascists. Russia responds. America gets even more pissed off like a big bully who doesn't get its way, and imposes sanctions and wants to expand its war machine, NATO, ever closer to Russia scaring people into thinking Russia will invade us all. Who is the aggressor? Who should I be afraid of? It's not Russia. This is all the work of Obama/Clinton and shady financial backers."

Jeremy, ad_o here, is showing the bigger picture.

[Jack Knave]

Not in manufacturing. In manufacturing, higher prices mean you go bankrupt, because people won't buy your stuff.

If they have the money they'll buy it. It is all relative.

[Jack Knave]

Do you honestly believe that? Putin loves Trump. He's lying.

If he gets what he wants he'll love him! 

[Jack Knave]

Yes. It's true. Obama/Clinton are warmongers. As I wrote earlier on this thread "The real narrative goes like this. The US starts supporting rebels in various Arab countries, including Syria. Russia says no, this is not the way. The rebels gain momentum and Russia warns of the consequences saying, Assad might be a barstard but ISIS is worse. The US, in actions rather than words, says they prefer ISIS. Russia helps Assad. America gets pissed off. Anerica orchestrates a coup in Ukraine led by a group of neo-fascists. Russia responds. America gets even more pissed off like a big bully who doesn't get its way, and imposes sanctions and wants to expand its war machine, NATO, ever closer to Russia scaring people into thinking Russia will invade us all. Who is the aggressor? Who should I be afraid of? It's not Russia. This is all the work of Obama/Clinton and shady financial backers."

Neo-Cons since Bill Clinton's time.

[Jack Knave]

I think you need to check your history.Only one president has led the USA into major wars in the 21st century and it's not Obama. The idea that Obama is a war monger and the gangster Putin is not is frankly laughable.

Neo-Cons since B. Clinton's time.

[Hope]

Neo-Cons since B. Clinton's time.

Why all the 'secrecy', JK.  There have only been conservative presidents since Bill Clinton (in fact, I'd suggest that the US has never had a non-conservative President - they've just been closer to or further away from the global understanding of right-wing [as opposed to left-wing]).

[Nearly Sane]

Why all the 'secrecy', JK.  There have only been conservative presidents since Bill Clinton (in fact, I'd suggest that the US has never had a non-conservative President - they've just been closer to or further away from the global understanding of right-wing [as opposed to left-wing]).

Secrecy? Do you mean the B? That's because he wrote Bill in his previous post on the thread? Is there a global definition of conservative that works here? And if there is do you think that all 'conservatives' are 'neo cons', the term Jack Knave used?

[jeremyp]

Jeremy, ad_o here, is showing the bigger picture.

Putin is a gangster. The idea that he is more trustworthy not to start a war than Clinton would have been is completely laughable.

He invaded the Crimea, for dog's sake.

[Sriram]

Here is a video on Trump, Hillary and Brexit. Lot of bad language and very emotional.....but it is good. The Left has been too rigid and intolerant of opposing views.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs

[floo]

I think Trump is as dangerous as Hitler and probably shares the same warped ethos.

[ad_orientem]

I think Trump is as dangerous as Hitler and probably shares the same warped ethos.

I don't believe that you really believe that.

[floo]

I don't believe that you really believe that.

You better believe it, because I think that evil creep and Hitler would have hit it off well!

[wigginhall]

I think a lot of people are hoping that Trump moderates his stance on different things.   You have to hope so, as his full package of white nationalism, misogyny, racism, targeting of Mexicans and Muslims, economic protectionism - is pretty horrific.

I don't think he's the same as Hitler, but his policies are dangerous.   Also, abandoning climate change is the real nightmare, and there are predictions that temperatures could rise by 7 degrees, if the Paris accord is abandoned.   

There are unpleasant reminders of the 30s, and we all know where that led.

[Sebastian Toe]

I don't believe that you really believe that.

I don't believe that you don't believe that she really believes that.

[Brownie]

You better believe it, because I think that evil creep and Hitler would have hit it off well!

We've been here before, floo, but there is no comparison between Trump and Hitler and it doesn't help to use hyperbole about a character we dislike.

They may have got on well though, plenty of people did get on well with Hitler.
In bygone days he would probably have got on well with Saddam Hussein who was 'America's friend' at one time.

However I agree with Wiggi that there is a whiff of 1930s ethos about Mr Trump.

I'm dying to know what he is going to do about abortion laws, if anything.  That is because a poster on another forum is a Trump supporter (& quite jubilant atm), purely because he believes Trump is 'pro-life'.  I do not believe he is genuinely 'pro-life' but am prepared to be convinced otherwise if there is evidence.  Hope he isn't, actually.   As if that was the only issue  .

[Nearly Sane]

We've been here before, floo, but there is no comparison between Trump and Hitler and it doesn't help to use hyperbole about a character we dislike.

They may have got on well though, plenty of people did get on well with Hitler.
In bygone days he would probably have got on well with Saddam Hussein who was 'America's friend' at one time.

However I agree with Wiggi that there is a whiff of 1930s ethos about Mr Trump.

I'm dying to know what he is going to do about abortion laws, if anything.  That is because a poster on another forum is a Trump supporter (& quite jubilant atm), purely because he believes Trump is 'pro-life'.  I do not believe he is genuinely 'pro-life' but am prepared to be convinced otherwise if there is evidence.  Hope he isn't, actually.   As if that was the only issue  .

He won't do anything about abortion laws directly. It's the choice of the Supreme Court judges that will affect this. Given his choice of Pence as VP, it illustrates his debt to the religious right. Pence is virulently 'pro life' and thinks creationism should be taught in schools.

[jeremyp]

He won't do anything about abortion laws directly. It's the choice of the Supreme Court judges that will affect this. Given his choice of Pence as VP, it illustrates his debt to the religious right. Pence is virulently 'pro life' and thinks creationism should be taught in schools.

Which is why Trump needs to survive until he is booted out by the electorate. Bad as Trump is, I think Pence might be worse.

[Nearly Sane]

Which is why Trump needs to survive until he is booted out by the electorate. Bad as Trump is, I think Pence might be worse.

but the choice of Supreme Court judges is likely to be on a similar basis to the choice of Pence. It will be as a sop to the religious right.

[jeremyp]

but the choice of Supreme Court judges is likely to be on a similar basis to the choice of Pence. It will be as a sop to the religious right.

Trump is in power, he will pick who he picks. You can bet if Pence is in power he will pick similar judges.

If I were Trump now, I would confirm Obama's choice as a peace offering to the fractured USA and an FU to the Republicans who turned their backs on him in the campaign.