More US election stuff

[floo]

We've been here before, floo, but there is no comparison between Trump and Hitler and it doesn't help to use hyperbole about a character we dislike.

They may have got on well though, plenty of people did get on well with Hitler.
In bygone days he would probably have got on well with Saddam Hussein who was 'America's friend' at one time.

However I agree with Wiggi that there is a whiff of 1930s ethos about Mr Trump.

I'm dying to know what he is going to do about abortion laws, if anything.  That is because a poster on another forum is a Trump supporter (& quite jubilant atm), purely because he believes Trump is 'pro-life'.  I do not believe he is genuinely 'pro-life' but am prepared to be convinced otherwise if there is evidence.  Hope he isn't, actually.   As if that was the only issue  .

Well I beg to differ, I think there is plenty of comparison better Trump and Hitler, I have met several people in the last few days who think the same. I just hope the world wakes up to the comparison before it is to late! He might try to do what Hitler did to the Jews to Muslims, given half a chance!

[Nearly Sane]

Trump is in power, he will pick who he picks. You can bet if Pence is in power he will pick similar judges.

If I were Trump now, I would confirm Obama's choice as a peace offering to the fractured USA and an FU to the Republicans who turned their backs on him in the campaign.

They would still have to pass the nomination but I agree it would be a good tactic in some ways.

[Nearly Sane]

Well I beg to differ, I think there is plenty of comparison better Trump and Hitler, I have met several people in the last few days who think the same. I just hope the world wakes up to the comparison before it is to late! He might try to do what Hitler did to the Jews to Muslims, given half a chance!

that other people agree with you is merely the ad populum fallacy. You need to make the case by laying out what you see as the comparison.

[floo]

that other people agree with you is merely the ad populum fallacy. You need to make the case by laying out what you see as the comparison.

His rabid attitude to Muslims is akin to Hitler's attitude towards the Jews, imo. Trump would like to make homosexual relationships illegal, I believe Hitler consigned gays to extermination camps. Hitler was very much in love with himself as is Trump. I just hope somehow Trump is neutralised before he can do any damage as President.

[Nearly Sane]

His rabid attitude to Muslims is akin to Hitler's attitude towards the Jews, imo. Trump would like to make homosexual relationships illegal, I believe Hitler consigned gays to extermination camps. Hitler was very much in love with himself as is Trump. I just hope somehow Trump is neutralised before he can do any damage as President.

Can you cite me anything from Trump that says he would like homosexual relationships should be illegal?

[Sriram]

I think more than worry about Trump or Brexit as individual events, we should be more sensitive to changing sentiments among a majority of the people in all parts of the world.  Quite clearly, the world today is not the same as it was 10 years ago. That''s what we should be responsive to.

[jeremyp]

His rabid attitude to Muslims is akin to Hitler's attitude towards the Jews, imo.

I think he is unlikely to start gassing them though.

Trump would like to make homosexual relationships illegal,

Evidence?

I just hope somehow Trump is neutralised before he can do any damage as President.

So do we all, but that doesn't mean Trump is in the same league as Hitler.

[wigginhall]

I don't think Trump is a fascist by any means.   But he is showing enough right-wing themes to worry me, e.g. white nationalism, attacks on minorities, misogyny, and his talk of jailing Clinton.   Hopefully, a lot of this is hot air, but still. 

If there was another economic crash, then I would worry about fascism.  But I think the US economy has been growing recently (ironically).

[Nearly Sane]

I think more than worry about Trump or Brexit as individual events, we should be more sensitive to changing sentiments among a majority of the people in all parts of the world.  Quite clearly, the world today is not the same as it was 10 years ago. That''s what we should be responsive to.

Leaving aside that Trump got elected on a minority of vote which itself was only 55 % of the electorate, and that it is on a multiple number of issues, what does be responsive mean?

[wigginhall]

Some reports that Clinton has received the largest vote of any presidential candidate, except Obama.   How really odd.   Some estimates that she has nearly 2 million votes more than Trump.   Eh? 

[wigginhall]

Going back to Trump, the crucial difference is authoritarian rule, isn't it?   I see worrying parallels between the treatment of Jews in the 30s, and Muslims today, but I don't think Le Pen, Farage and Trump are actually advocating internment and so on.   As I said earlier, the economies are too robust in Europe and the US, whereas in the 20s and 30s the economies were smashed.   Of course, the authoritarian stuff wasn't just about minorities.

[floo]

Going back to Trump, the crucial difference is authoritarian rule, isn't it?   I see worrying parallels between the treatment of Jews in the 30s, and Muslims today, but I don't think Le Pen, Farage and Trump are actually advocating internment and so on.   As I said earlier, the economies are too robust in Europe and the US, whereas in the 20s and 30s the economies were smashed.   Of course, the authoritarian stuff wasn't just about minorities.

I might be wrong but I thought Trump did suggest rounding all Muslims up, and putting them in interment camps before kicking them out of the US even if they have lived there all their lives.

[wigginhall]

I might be wrong but I thought Trump did suggest rounding all Muslims up, and putting them in interment camps before kicking them out of the US even if they have lived there all their lives.

I haven't seen that.   I think he did get close to fascist-type comments, and there are parallels with Jews in the 30s, but still, he is not another Hitler.   Of course, he could turn into one, if there are big economic upsets, or another 9/11.

[floo]

We shall just have to see how it all pans out.

[wigginhall]

When I look at Farage, Le Pen and Trump, I sure get nervous about white nationalism, and the treatment of Muslims (like Jews).  So far, I am holding onto optimism about European and American values, but of course, they can get swept away by war and isolationism.  Here's hoping.

[wigginhall]

Incidentally, 80% of US Evangelicals voted Trump,  he is truly a man of the Lard.

[ad_orientem]

When I look at Farage, Le Pen and Trump, I sure get nervous about white nationalism, and the treatment of Muslims (like Jews).  So far, I am holding onto optimism about European and American values, but of course, they can get swept away by war and isolationism.  Here's hoping.

Here's one hoping Le Pen wins next year. Another kick in the teeth of the current system. We have been forgotten by the elite. We want out countries, our continent and our culture back. I have no desire to walk into Helsinki and feel like I'm in downtwon Baghdad  or Mogadishu. Down with the EU, down with the system. Down with Soros and the Rothschilds. The people are rising.

[wigginhall]

Volksverräter ausgestoßen aus der Deutschen Volksgemeinschaft!

[Udayana]

... The people are rising.

One suspects they'd be better off properly funding their pensions and health insurance.

[JP]

Don't be so stupid.The fact is that she wasn't.

Interesting comeback.

I have a lot of relatives in the USA and I have discussed this quite a bit with a couple of them.

The one more than most was educated at Virginia University, worked at the Pentagon in his career and is certainly no redneck. His view is that it is a blight on the country that they ended up with the two candidates they did and couldn't bring himself to vote for either of them.

Trump is self explanatory, but his reasons for Clinton are......

(copied direct from a message to me)

#1 she's a liar
#2 she's not trustworthy
#3 pay for play while Secretary of State
#4 she's a political insider
#5 questionable Clinton Foundation contributions received as a result of #3 IOU's
#6 blood on her hands from Benghazi

Lots of Americans believe the same.

[ad_orientem]

Volksverräter ausgestoßen aus der Deutschen Volksgemeinschaft!

Eh?

[jeremyp]

Interesting comeback.

Yes, you made a false claim. I dismissed it.

(copied direct from a message to me)

#1 she's a liar
#2 she's not trustworthy
#3 pay for play while Secretary of State
#4 she's a political insider
#5 questionable Clinton Foundation contributions received as a result of #3 IOU's
#6 blood on her hands from Benghazi

Number 6 is certainly false. If your friend did as much research on numbers 1 to 5, then his opinions are worthless.

Lots of Americans believe the same.

Yes, that's a huge problem, much the same as a lot of British believed the Leave campaign lies in the Brexit vote.

[JP]

He's not a friend, he's family. 4th gen yank from an Brit coal mining immigrant.

Anyway, that's fine. I mean he has only lived through the whole thing, from the beginning to the end so I will let him know some well informed bloke from over here knows much better and that he is just plain old stupid.

Anyway, Hil lost. Another one you seem to be struggling with. I wonder how you will cope when Austria and France go next.

[Brownie]

Eh?

Enemies or traitors of the people, Ad-o.  Nazi type rhetoric applied to those whom they persecuted.

[SweetPea]

Here's one hoping Le Pen wins next year. Another kick in the teeth of the current system. We have been forgotten by the elite. We want out countries, our continent and our culture back. I have no desire to walk into Helsinki and feel like I'm in downtwon Baghdad  or Mogadishu. Down with the EU, down with the system. Down with Soros and the Rothschilds. The people are rising.

Ad_O, I'd say the elite know just what they are doing, and until Soros and the Rothschilds et al stop pulling the strings, not a lot is going to change.... Trump or no Trump.