More US election stuff

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Ad_O, I'd say the elite know just what they are doing, and until Soros and the Rothschilds et al stop pulling the strings, not a lot is going to change.... Trump or no Trump.

True.

[jeremyp]

He's not a friend, he's family. 4th gen yank from an Brit coal mining immigrant.

and that makes him an oracle of truth how?

Anyway, that's fine. I mean he has only lived through the whole thing, from the beginning to the end so I will let him know some well informed bloke from over here knows much better and that he is just plain old stupid.

He is factually wrong about Benghazi. That's all there is to it. Hillary Clinton does not have blood on her hands any more than her Republican predecessors have blood on their hands for the sixty US diplomatic staff who were killed on GW Bush's watch.

Anyway, Hil lost. Another one you seem to be struggling with. I wonder how you will cope when Austria and France go next.

If that prospect doesn't scare you, it should.

[JP]

I am simply explaining the relationship and who he is, nothing more. There can be only one oracle and you are sitting in the oracle chair at the moment with no sign of you leaving.

No it doesn't scare me. What scares me are left wing fascists who whine, moan, bitch and rampage when the vote doesn't go their way. Suddenly democracy is a shit idea and uneducated racist fuckwits shouldn't be able to vote.

[jeremyp]

I am simply explaining the relationship and who he is, nothing more. There can be only one oracle and you are sitting in the oracle chair at the moment with no sign of you leaving.

There was a congressional investigation on it that concluded Clinton was not at fault, so I don't need to be an oracle.

No it doesn't scare me. What scares me are left wing fascists who whine, moan, bitch and rampage when the vote doesn't go their way.

Moaning and bitching is fine. Rampaging is not. However, the protests in the USA will die down after a few days as will the racist attacks by Trump supporters. Trump is here for four years.

Suddenly democracy is a shit idea and uneducated racist fuckwits shouldn't be able to vote.

The only person I saw in the presidential campaign hinting that democracy was a shit idea was Donald Trump.

[L.A.]

The one thing that is becoming clear about Trump is that 'what you see is NOT what you get'.


He is rapidly changing his position on virtually everything and no one knows what kind of presidency we will end up with.

[SusanDoris]

I think there is one small redeeming factor in all of this and that is that anything that happens, good or bad, commented on or not,  is communicated around the world within hours. 

[floo]

The one thing that is becoming clear about Trump is that 'what you see is NOT what you get'.


He is rapidly changing his position on virtually everything and no one knows what kind of presidency we will end up with.

True!

[JP]

I suppose we could settle on Clinton is not guilty like Blair is not a war criminal.

[JP]

The only person I saw in the presidential campaign hinting that democracy was a shit idea was Donald Trump.

Meanwhile, after the presidential campaign, and in Europe, the political elite, the unaffected and the fascist left think democracy is a shit idea because they lost, and they are vey, very bad losers. I did not realise how much so. I have no idea how far it needs to go before it sinks in for them.

[floo]

I am of the opinion that all candidates for high office, like President of Prime Minister, should be subjected to a mental health test to see if they are mentally fit for the job. I have heard Ronald Reagan was suffering from dementia during his last tenure in office, and his wife was making his decisions for him with the help of astrology!  If that was true, how scary is that?

[Sriram]

He may not be so bad after all.....


http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/us-president-elect-donald-trump-says-will-take-1-as-salary-with-no-vacations-1625065?pfrom=home-topstories

He is taking it very seriously....!

[Sebastian Toe]

I am of the opinion that all candidates for high office, like President of Prime Minister, should be subjected to a mental health test to see if they are mentally fit for the job. I have heard Ronald Reagan was suffering from dementia during his last tenure in office, and his wife was making his decisions for him with the help of astrology!  If that was true, how scary is that?

Not scary at all -  as long as she was using Russell Grant! 

[Nearly Sane]

This is a very good article on the issues the Democrats and indeed Labour currently have

https://hbr.org/2016/11/what-so-many-people-dont-get-about-the-u-s-working-class

[wigginhall]

I'm still trying to grapple with the idea that the 'left behind' have voted in right-wing governments, in order to get more jobs and higher wages, and so on.   Eh? 

I suppose with someone like Trump, you can see a kind of logic - he is a business man, who will get things done, despite five bankruptcies.

Now Europe seems to be going into a right-wing phase, with tons of white nationalism, hatred of foreigners, down with the Jews Muslims.   As the man said, Volksverräter ausgestoßen aus der deutschen Volksgemeinschaft, enemies of the people will be cast out from the German community!   Off we go then.  See you in hell.

[jeremyp]

Meanwhile, after the presidential campaign, and in Europe, the political elite, the unaffected and the fascist left think democracy is a shit idea because they lost

I'm sorry, could you give some examples of anybody in the political elite, the unaffected (do you mean disaffected?) or the "fascist" left who thinks democracy is a shit idea? I haven't seen anybody claim that in any serious way.

On the other hand, the president elect would not commit to respecting the result if he lost.

and they are vey, very bad losers.

Now you are doing exactly what the left did to Trump supporters. You are belittling their concerns. People are genuinely very frightened about what Trump might do.

If you are a Muslim or Mexican in the USA you are probably shitting yourself about deportation right now.

If you are gay and married, you are probably concerned that Trump will declare your marriage void.

If you are at all worried about climate change, you are probably scared that Trump will tear up the Paris agreement.

If you care about education, you are probably worried that the new Education secretary will declare creationism as science.

If you are poor and ill, you are probably worried about Trump eviscerating Obamacare.

People are not just poor losers, they are frightened.

[Brownie]

Ad_O, I'd say the elite know just what they are doing, and until Soros and the Rothschilds et al stop pulling the strings, not a lot is going to change.... Trump or no Trump.

What is so terrible about the Rothschilds and, particularly, George Soros? 

[JP]

Belittling concerns eh?

Oh the irony.

[Nearly Sane]

Another good piece


http://reaction.life/clinton-smug-liberals-lost-culture-war/

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What is so terrible about the Rothschilds and, particularly, George Soros?

With their immense wealth they have the power to make politicians their zionist puppets. Soros has been funding the anti Trump protests.

http://anonhq.com/george-soros-funded-moveon-org-organized-anti-trump-protests/

[JP]

Bernie Sanders interviewed on R4 this morning. Consensus is he would have won easily but he wouldn't quite say it.

[JP]

Another good piece


http://reaction.life/clinton-smug-liberals-lost-culture-war/

Sums it up for me.

[Nearly Sane]

With their immense wealth they have the power to make politicians their zionist puppets. Soros has been funding the anti Trump protests.

http://anonhq.com/george-soros-funded-moveon-org-organized-anti-trump-protests/

Why are you reporting what even your stated source says us a rumour as a fact?

[Nearly Sane]

This is also excellent. Taken in conjunction with the earlier Iain Martin piece it underlines that this isn't about some huge tectonic change in politics but that if you start thinking that you are the bees knees you forget about what you should actually be doing. When the President of the USA is talking about who can enter toilets, there is something wrong in choosing priorities.


https://www.ft.com/content/b26899a6-aa58-11e6-a0bb-97f42551dbf4

[Nearly Sane]

Bernie Sanders interviewed on R4 this morning. Consensus is he would have won easily but he wouldn't quite say it.

I think the consensus here is mainly from people who support Sanders. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying he couldn't have won but I think there is a big difference between running in the primaries and in the main presidential election. A Sanders candidacy would have united the parts of the Republicans who found Trump difficult.

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