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Re: More US election stuff
« Reply #700 on: November 24, 2016, 02:40:37 PM »
Quote from: Sriram on November 24, 2016, 02:00:43 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/23/politics/election-hack-hillary-clinton-donald-trump/index.html

Just like the anti brexit lot. Never give up and accept a result....! ::)

Well it's not quite the same is it?

If the presidential election had been fought on a simple win by count of numbers as Brexit was then Clinton would now be president-elect. As it is you have more people voted for Clinton than Trump yet he is the president elect. I note Farage is claiming Trump's victory as a huge rejection of the existing system - when in fact it is nothing of the sort. It's just the quirk of an antiquated system that needs overhauling or replacing, namely the electoral college.
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Re: More US election stuff
« Reply #701 on: November 24, 2016, 07:21:26 PM »
Quote from: Sriram on November 24, 2016, 02:00:43 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/23/politics/election-hack-hillary-clinton-donald-trump/index.html

Just like the anti brexit lot. Never give up and accept a result....! ::)

And don't forget, Sriram, before the election Donald Trump had stated that the election was rigged in favour of Mrs Clinton. He maintained that her victory would be the result of an unfair system, which he would contest.. Now that he has won - due entirely to the existence of an unfair system - he is strangely quiet.

Given the amount of noise he made beforehand, one would think that, had he any integrity, he would refuse to accept a result in which his share of the popular vote was 2 million votes fewer than that of the loser.
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Re: More US election stuff
« Reply #702 on: November 24, 2016, 07:31:23 PM »
Quote from: Sriram on November 24, 2016, 02:00:43 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/23/politics/election-hack-hillary-clinton-donald-trump/index.html

Just like the anti brexit lot. Never give up and accept a result....! ::)
Do you not think that, if the vote was rigged, Something Ought To Be Done?
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Re: More US election stuff
« Reply #703 on: November 26, 2016, 08:28:10 AM »
I see Wisconsin, which Trump narrowly won, has ordered a recount!
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Re: More US election stuff
« Reply #704 on: November 26, 2016, 06:47:45 PM »
Quote from: Floo on November 26, 2016, 08:28:10 AM
I see Wisconsin, which Trump narrowly won, has ordered a recount!
And if they find that Hillary won it then what? You think the Trump supporters will just say, "Ok, that's fair."......?
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Re: More US election stuff
« Reply #705 on: November 27, 2016, 01:32:34 PM »
Quote from: jeremyp on November 24, 2016, 07:31:23 PM
Do you not think that, if the vote was rigged, Something Ought To Be Done?
Except that Hilary's camp has said that they have studied the results and have been unable to find any dramatic anomalies.
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Re: More US election stuff
« Reply #706 on: November 27, 2016, 01:36:16 PM »
Quote from: Hope on November 27, 2016, 01:32:34 PM
Except that Hilary's camp has said that they have studied the results and have been unable to find any dramatic anomalies.
Except that, if the vote was rigged do you not think that something ought to  be done?
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Re: More US election stuff
« Reply #707 on: November 27, 2016, 03:23:56 PM »
Quote from: Sebastian Toe on November 27, 2016, 01:36:16 PM
Except that, if the vote was rigged do you not think that something ought to  be done?
If there are no dramatic anomalies, it suggests that the vote wasn't rigged.  That was my point.  I think that HC's folk would have worked through the results with a fine toothcomb and would have pre-emptied Dr Stein's appeal if there had been anything to appeal against.  Can you imagine the embarrassment if the recounts show that Trump won by a greater margin than at first thought?
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Re: More US election stuff
« Reply #708 on: November 27, 2016, 03:49:25 PM »
Never mind the embarrassment if Clinton's majority keeps going up and up.   Well, correct that, I don't think Trump will be embarrassed at all.   It's a scam, you see.
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Re: More US election stuff
« Reply #709 on: November 27, 2016, 05:30:34 PM »
Quote from: Hope on November 27, 2016, 03:23:56 PM
If there are no dramatic anomalies, it suggests that the vote wasn't rigged.  That was my point.
"Suggests" ok.
 But if it was rigged do you think that something ought to be done?
That was my question.
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Re: More US election stuff
« Reply #710 on: November 27, 2016, 05:53:48 PM »
Well, for what it's worth (no comments please!), I think if a vote is seriously believed to have been rigged, it should be thoroughly investigated and exposed as such;  if a different outcome would have altered the election outcome, the people should be encouraged to vote again.

However, the reality is that those saying it was rigged are likely to be booed off as 'sore losers'.    There would have to be decent grounds before an investigation was started and it would need to yield some hard evidence pretty quick.   That would be difficult.

So, regardless of rights and wrongs, I don't believe it will happen.
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Re: More US election stuff
« Reply #711 on: November 27, 2016, 06:20:41 PM »
Quote from: Hope on November 27, 2016, 01:32:34 PM
Except that Hilary's camp has said that they have studied the results and have been unable to find any dramatic anomalies.
How about answering the question, which did not mention the "Hillary camp"?
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Re: More US election stuff
« Reply #712 on: November 27, 2016, 06:25:15 PM »
Quote from: Hope on November 27, 2016, 03:23:56 PM
If there are no dramatic anomalies, it suggests that the vote wasn't rigged. 
Oh for Dog's sake, Hope, the question started off with a hypothetical. It does not assert that the election actually was rigged.

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That was my point.
Which is spurious in the context of the question I asked.

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I think that HC's folk would have worked through the results with a fine toothcomb and would have pre-emptied Dr Stein's appeal if there had been anything to appeal against.

You forget political considerations. There would be no point in Hillary questioning the results unless she is pretty sure that she really was robbed of the presidency.

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Can you imagine the embarrassment if the recounts show that Trump won by a greater margin than at first thought?
Exactly.
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Re: More US election stuff
« Reply #713 on: November 27, 2016, 07:03:50 PM »
Thought the current direction of the thread was all about the claims of DT, and subsequent suggestions of fixing and miscounts by the Green candidate.
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Re: More US election stuff
« Reply #714 on: November 28, 2016, 10:48:51 AM »
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Re: More US election stuff
« Reply #715 on: December 01, 2016, 03:34:03 PM »
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Re: More US election stuff
« Reply #716 on: December 02, 2016, 08:39:02 AM »
Palin is as crazy as Trump!
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Re: More US election stuff
« Reply #717 on: December 02, 2016, 09:26:10 AM »
Quote from: Floo on December 02, 2016, 08:39:02 AM
Palin is as crazy as Trump!

No I think quite a bit crazier actually.
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Re: More US election stuff
« Reply #718 on: December 03, 2016, 02:14:03 PM »
Quote from: Trentvoyager on December 02, 2016, 09:26:10 AM
No I think quite a bit crazier actually.
No I think just more stupid.
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Re: More US election stuff
« Reply #719 on: December 03, 2016, 02:32:21 PM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-38194371

This proves how unsuited Trump is to be president!
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« Reply #720 on: December 03, 2016, 04:48:08 PM »
If he is going to make any attempt to implement the program he proposed to the US electorate he will have to stand up to Chinese bullying tactics on issues far hotter than Taiwan.
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Re: More US election stuff
« Reply #721 on: December 03, 2016, 07:57:22 PM »
Quote from: Udayana on December 03, 2016, 04:48:08 PM
If he is going to make any attempt to implement the program he proposed to the US electorate he will have to stand up to Chinese bullying tactics on issues far hotter than Taiwan.
And what do you suggest he does?
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« Reply #722 on: December 04, 2016, 09:38:34 AM »
I daresay there is an arrangement possible where he can talk and act tough for the cameras but things can continue as before behind the scenes.
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Re: More US election stuff
« Reply #723 on: December 05, 2016, 04:51:55 PM »
Quote from: Udayana on December 04, 2016, 09:38:34 AM
I daresay there is an arrangement possible where he can talk and act tough for the cameras but things can continue as before behind the scenes.
I doubt if China adheres to such protocols and the rhetoric coming from Trump is a little more than just firm posturing, it is aggressive and threating and could quite easily be misread in the negative direction. I don't think his business approach to matters is going to translate too well in the political arena.
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Re: More US election stuff
« Reply #724 on: December 05, 2016, 05:40:17 PM »
Well let's see who he appoints as SoS and if they can rein him in or better handle Chinese response. Likely to be  a very rough ride.


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