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Owlswing

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Which is the more divisive? And why?
« on: January 29, 2016, 07:03:41 PM »


Religion or Politics!
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Re: Which is the more divisive? And why?
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2016, 07:08:56 PM »
Quote from: Owlswing on January 29, 2016, 07:03:41 PM

Religion or Politics!
In this country, in terms of sheer numbers, politics, since there are far more people with political affiliations, political views and ideas and political engagement of some sort than comparable numbers for religion.
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Re: Which is the more divisive? And why?
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2016, 07:53:45 PM »
They're both the same because they involve people and their natures. They both attract the same type of control freaks etc. etc. who love power and wealth and are mean enough to do what ever is necessary to get it, all set in an emotional ethos of doing the right thing. Ultimately both religion and politics is used by these people to control the masses.
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Re: Which is the more divisive? And why?
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2016, 08:12:12 PM »
Religion. It's easier to convince someone that a political policy is wrong, or a politician, if not a party. Much harder when it comes to matters of faith.
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Re: Which is the more divisive? And why?
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2016, 09:23:05 AM »
Religion probably.

Because religious groups often imply ( if not directly state) that you shouldn't mix with or marry unbelievers.

Politics doesn't.

http://biblehub.com/2_corinthians/6-14.htm

https://islamqa.info/en/59879

Just a couple of examples from the abrahamic religions.
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Re: Which is the more divisive? And why?
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2016, 01:42:17 PM »
Quote from: Owlswing on January 29, 2016, 07:03:41 PM

Religion or Politics!

Probably religion, although politics is very close behind.
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Re: Which is the more divisive? And why?
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2016, 05:06:36 PM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on January 29, 2016, 08:12:12 PM
Religion. It's easier to convince someone that a political policy is wrong, or a politician, if not a party. Much harder when it comes to matters of faith.
Have to say that I would disagree.  For instance, it's easier to change a Welsh Labour supporter to change their religious allegiance than the political allegiance.
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Re: Which is the more divisive? And why?
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2016, 05:40:20 PM »
Quote from: Hope on January 30, 2016, 05:06:36 PM
Have to say that I would disagree.  For instance, it's easier to change a Welsh Labour supporter to change their religious allegiance than the political allegiance.

Have you tried?
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Re: Which is the more divisive? And why?
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2016, 05:45:34 PM »
Quote from: Floo on January 30, 2016, 05:40:20 PM
Have you tried?
To a certain extent, yes; but primarily I'm going by what they themselves say.
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Re: Which is the more divisive? And why?
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2016, 05:48:44 PM »
Quote from: Hope on January 30, 2016, 05:06:36 PM
Have to say that I would disagree.  For instance, it's easier to change a Welsh Labour supporter to change their religious allegiance than the political allegiance.

That's just swapping sides. What about convincing them that Jesus isn't the son of god?
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Re: Which is the more divisive? And why?
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2016, 10:09:17 PM »
You need faith for religion, not so much for politicians...
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Re: Which is the more divisive? And why?
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2016, 10:25:18 PM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on January 30, 2016, 05:48:44 PM
That's just swapping sides. What about convincing them that Jesus isn't the son of god?
Sorry, I include that as changing their religious allegiance.
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Re: Which is the more divisive? And why?
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2016, 01:54:03 PM »
Quote from: Hope on January 30, 2016, 10:25:18 PM
Sorry, I include that as changing their religious allegiance.

Then you are wrong to do so.
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Re: Which is the more divisive? And why?
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2016, 02:22:19 PM »
Quote from: Owlswing on January 29, 2016, 07:03:41 PM

Religion or Politics!
Politics of course since it's all about whose in charge.
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Re: Which is the more divisive? And why?
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2016, 02:44:45 PM »
Quote from: Owlswing on January 29, 2016, 07:03:41 PM
Religion or Politics!

In this day and age, they are both becoming avenues of economics by other means, and therefore much of a muchness. They are tools of the haves to try to ensure that the have-nots stay where they belong.

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Re: Which is the more divisive? And why?
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2016, 03:44:55 PM »
Quote from: On stage before it wore off. on January 31, 2016, 02:22:19 PM
Politics of course since it's all about whose in charge.

So, in its own way, is religion - god or man!
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Re: Which is the more divisive? And why?
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2016, 04:54:03 PM »
Politics of course.  Preachers deliver sermons to their congregations and those interested in hearing. If they say something outrageous they may divide only a small number. A politician, now there is a person who can actually divide a nation. I cannot think of one preacher that has divided my nation, I can think of several politicians that have.
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Re: Which is the more divisive? And why?
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2016, 08:02:27 PM »
Quote from: Owlswing on January 31, 2016, 03:44:55 PM
So, in its own way, is religion - god or man!
Yes, that's great, a little gem in fact. Thanks for that Mr O.
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Re: Which is the more divisive? And why?
« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2016, 12:44:49 PM »
Quote from: Owlswing on January 29, 2016, 07:03:41 PM

Religion or Politics!
I'm not sure this is a reasonable question. Why? Because politics (in all its forms) is a necessary requirement within a society. We need mechanisms to make decisions about how our society runs and we will then, again necessarily, will have differences over what those decisions should be. So you cannot have a society without some form of politics.

Religion on the other hand isn't necessary within a society, although most societies currently have some elements of religiosity. It is perfectly reasonable to imagine a fully functioning society without religion, it isn't possible to imagine a fully functioning society without some kind of politics.
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Re: Which is the more divisive? And why?
« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2016, 01:05:03 PM »
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I cannot think of one preacher that has divided my nation,

That is because here in the Motherland, we had already ironed out all the creases for your little fledgling nation, you and your backwater cousins across the border, and no thanks are necessary, our pleasure, I hope that one day Canada and America will be as wonderful as this little island. ;)

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Re: Which is the more divisive? And why?
« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2016, 05:01:14 PM »
Quote from: Gonnagle on February 02, 2016, 01:05:03 PM
Dear Powwow,

That is because here in the Motherland, we had already ironed out all the creases for your little fledgling nation, you and your backwater cousins across the border, and no thanks are necessary, our pleasure, I hope that one day Canada and America will be as wonderful as this little island. ;)

Gonnagle.

Not so long as there are people like Trump and Palin whoi mix politics and religion in two unpleasant packages that bring both disciplines into serious disrepute..
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Re: Which is the more divisive? And why?
« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2016, 05:45:10 PM »
As it is people, especially power minded people, who are divisive, I would say political people as they often use religion as well as politics to divide and rule.
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Re: Which is the more divisive? And why?
« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2016, 06:11:45 PM »
Quote from: Gonnagle on February 02, 2016, 01:05:03 PM
Dear Powwow,

That is because here in the Motherland, we had already ironed out all the creases ...
If only, Gonners. 
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Re: Which is the more divisive? And why?
« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2016, 06:33:25 PM »
Quote from: ProfessorDavey on February 02, 2016, 12:44:49 PM


Religion on the other hand isn't necessary within a society,
Mildly Stalinist.
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Re: Which is the more divisive? And why?
« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2016, 06:35:11 PM »
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