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Gonnagle

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Re: What is God?
« Reply #50 on: February 03, 2016, 09:53:56 AM »
Dear Sriram,

I watched a few more of your man's video's, I like his simple honest sense of humour which I think comes from a life time of studying just how silly us humans can be, very refreshing.

He also talks about the "why" question, in fact he may have got the idea from the same place I did, Hawking's A Brief History of Time, he did mention that scientists are more interested in the how rather than the why, but then I think the "why" question is in us all, part of us.

Yes I definitely connected with the man, we are asking the wrong questions, but frustratingly he doesn't mention what the right questions are, maybe I need to watch more of his video's ;)

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Re: What is God?
« Reply #51 on: February 03, 2016, 10:23:39 AM »

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Re: What is God?
« Reply #52 on: February 03, 2016, 11:06:51 AM »
Dear ekim,

Clarity of thought, that eureka moment but why does it take my mind so long to have that eureka moment :o

I watched the next video and I think he might have given me the answer, Diarrhea of the mind, only fill your mind with good thoughts, good advice. ;)

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Re: What is God?
« Reply #53 on: February 03, 2016, 03:05:46 PM »
There is very little point in going on and on with these kind of arguments. All of us are  programmed to think in different ways (by our culture and upbringing).  Impossible to make all minds meet!

Then why post it?

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What I write is for information of those who are able to understand that particular point. Not for those who don't.

None taken, of course... We don't have a problem understanding what you're saying - or what he's saying - it's just that we can see that what you're saying doesn't make sense.

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My purpose in linking the video was to highlight the argument that different deities and images of God are just symbols that we humans create.

On that we can agree - the concept of a 'god' seems near-universal, and certainly the idea of an unseen cause for inexplicable events is easy to picture; a picture that is then culturally shaded with time.

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The real God within us however, is common to all and does not depend on the image we worship.

And that's where we part company - what 'real god'? What evidence do you have that 'god' is anything more than a human-created concept, in which case what sense is there in the idea of a 'real' god?

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« Reply #54 on: February 04, 2016, 12:17:33 PM »
Then why post it?

None taken, of course... We don't have a problem understanding what you're saying - or what he's saying - it's just that we can see that what you're saying doesn't make sense.

On that we can agree - the concept of a 'god' seems near-universal, and certainly the idea of an unseen cause for inexplicable events is easy to picture; a picture that is then culturally shaded with time.

And that's where we part company - what 'real god'? What evidence do you have that 'god' is anything more than a human-created concept, in which case what sense is there in the idea of a 'real' god?

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I post for information of those who think the way I do.  Are you too self centric to notice that?!!

About the real God....well.....just look inwards instead of outwards and you may know.

But...I told you we are programmed differently. So...why bother to try and change the programming. Not likely to happen. Maybe in your next birth you'll understand.  ;)   What's the big hurry? There is always a next time!


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Re: What is God?
« Reply #55 on: February 04, 2016, 12:24:28 PM »
Dear Sriram,

Reincarnation, oh I hope that is wrong, I could come back as a Tory. >:( :(

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« Reply #56 on: February 04, 2016, 12:28:11 PM »
Knowing my luck I'll come back as me.
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Re: What is God?
« Reply #57 on: February 04, 2016, 12:45:15 PM »
I post for information of those who think the way I do.  Are you too self centric to notice that?!!

"Sproing," went the irony-meter...

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About the real God....well.....just look inwards instead of outwards and you may know.

I've looked inwards, I see no gods.

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But...I told you we are programmed differently. So...why bother to try and change the programming.

Because living is changing the programme. Learning updates the algorithms, experience expands the bank of information the algorithm has to call upon.

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Not likely to happen. Maybe in your next birth you'll understand.  ;)   What's the big hurry? There is always a next time!

He asserted...

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Re: What is God?
« Reply #58 on: February 04, 2016, 01:08:17 PM »
"Sproing," went the irony-meter...

I've looked inwards, I see no gods.

Because living is changing the programme. Learning updates the algorithms, experience expands the bank of information the algorithm has to call upon.

He asserted...

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Outrider,

Data can be added through experience and learning....but how the new data is analysed will again depend on the basic programming. 

Changing the programming is not easy. It can be done of course,  but will require a major life changing experience of some kind. Normally.... it is near impossible.

Why...many scientists and science students are unable to accept new ideas and radical theories in science itself even when presented by eminent scientists!!!   That's how stubborn some ideas and beliefs are.  Great survivors...these memes!!

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Re: What is God?
« Reply #59 on: February 04, 2016, 01:14:42 PM »
Data can be added through experience and learning....but how the new data is analysed will again depend on the basic programming.

Yes, but in the process of that analysis it can - not necessarily will, depending on the state at the time, but can - update the programme itself as well.

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Changing the programming is not easy. It can be done of course,  but will require a major life changing experience of some kind. Normally.... it is near impossible.

I don't see that - it rather depends on how the programme has evolved in the first place. If you're open to ideas and have developed a mechanism for learning and developing, absorbing new ideas and updating your paradigm is relatively easy. Of course, it can go too far and you get people who jump on to every bandwagon going. I do think that it might well become more difficult with age - obviously children have comparatively little in the way of rigidly defined elements, whilst the older you get the more likely any given part is to have become 'sealed' from new information.

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Why...many scientists and science students are unable to accept new ideas and radical theories in science itself even when presented by eminent scientists!!!

Ironically, I find that scientists are generally the most likely to accept new ideas, what they aren't likely to accept is entirely new formats of claim.

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That's how stubborn some ideas and beliefs are.  Great survivors...these memes!!

Except that scientific theories are not memes in that sense - they exist within a recognised framework that includes a mechanism for review and update.

Now, ideas like 'spirit', there's a meme with some staying power and little to nothing in the way of validation.

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Re: What is God?
« Reply #60 on: February 04, 2016, 05:51:43 PM »
Hillside is turning into Dawkins.
Has that got you worried Vlad?
Wouldn't you have to start stalking Blue if that happened?
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