Mary

[floo]

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[Leonard James]

Why do Catholics make Mary into some sort of saint, they even pray to her?

There is very little in the Bible about the woman apart from her getting in the family way before she married, when she was probably below the age of consent today. Jesus doesn't seem to have had much time or respect for her, and the rest of his family, and was quite dismissive of them, it would appear.

In my opinion Catholics spouting their hail Mary mantra is a posher version of 'touching wood' to ward off bad luck.

I suppose they think she was special in some way ... you could hardly expect "God" to plant the seed of his son where some mere mortal had been poking about, could you?

[floo]

I suppose they think she was special in some way ... you could hardly expect "God" to plant the seed of his son where some mere mortal had been poking about, could you?

 

[Humph Warden Bennett]

You really need an RC to answer this, but Mary is not a Saint, she is the Mother of God. FYI there is an apocryphal Gospel of Mary, the problem is that the only place that it could be placed in the New Testament is at the beginning, which would make Mary seem more important than Jesus.

[ad_orientem]

By her "fiat" she had a special part to play in our salvation. She bore God in the flesh in her womb, natured him as a babe in arms and stood by him as our Lord hung on the cross. A very special woman indeed, who has a relation with our Lord like no other human being. Worthy of veneration, I would say. It might vex some, such as Protestants, but then they are iconoclasts and embarrased by the Incarnation.

[floo]

You really need an RC to answer this, but Mary is not a Saint, she is the Mother of God. FYI there is an apocryphal Gospel of Mary, the problem is that the only place that it could be placed in the New Testament is at the beginning, which would make Mary seem more important than Jesus.

Mary was the mother of a son, who was no doubt conceived in the usual way by Joseph or another human male!

[floo]

By her "fiat" she had a special part to play in our salvation. She bore God in the flesh in her womb, natured him as a babe in arms and stood by him as our Lord hung on the cross. A very special woman indeed, who has a relation with our Lord like no other human being. Worthy of veneration, I would say. It might vex some, such as Protestants, but then they are iconoclasts and embarrased by the Incarnation.

That is all baloney and constructed by his followers to excuse the fact Mary was up the spout before Joseph had married her!

[ad_orientem]

That is all baloney and constructed by his followers to excuse the fact Mary was up the spout before Joseph had married her!

In your view, which matters for naught.

[Shaker]

In your view, which matters for naught.

Like yours, then.

[Owlswing]

Why do Catholics make Mary into some sort of saint, they even pray to her?

There is very little in the Bible about the woman apart from her getting in the family way before she married, when she was probably below the age of consent today. Jesus doesn't seem to have had much time or respect for her, and the rest of his family, and was quite dismissive of them, it would appear.

In my opinion Catholics spouting their hail Mary mantra is a posher version of 'touching wood' to ward off bad luck.

She was used to replace the female deities of the Pagans, pagans who were not happy with the patriachal facet of the Christianity that was forcibly replacing their religion.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Floo,

Every day is a school day, Mary the only woman mentioned by name in the Quran, she has a whole chapter dedicated to her.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_in_Islam

Gonnagle.

[floo]

Dear Floo,

Every day is a school day, Mary the only woman mentioned by name in the Quran, she has a whole chapter dedicated to her.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_in_Islam

Gonnagle.

BIG DEAL, it still doesn't make her anything special!

[Gonnagle]

Dear Floo,

Thank you, that brought a smile to my face

BIG DEAL EH!! well I'll see you at four o'clock when the bell rings and bring yer mates you will need them

Gonnagle.

[Owlswing]

Dear Floo,

Thank you, that brought a smile to my face

BIG DEAL EH!! well I'll see you at four o'clock when the bell rings and bring yer mates you will need them

Gonnagle.

OOOOOOO! Goody! Handbags at fifty paces - winner gets Justin Bieber for a week - loser gets him for a month!

[floo]

OOOOOOO! Goody! Handbags at fifty paces - winner gets Justin Bieber for a week - loser gets him for a month!

Now that would be a fate worse than death!

[Owlswing]

Now that would be a fate worse than death!

Too true

[OH MY WORLD!]

So floo, you are on a rampage about Mary. Can I ask what you would think of a lady that would erect a shrine out front of her place, so pilgrims can pray to Mary?

[ippy]

By her "fiat" she had a special part to play in our salvation. She bore God in the flesh in her womb, natured him as a babe in arms and stood by him as our Lord hung on the cross. A very special woman indeed, who has a relation with our Lord like no other human being. Worthy of veneration, I would say. It might vex some, such as Protestants, but then they are iconoclasts and embarrased by the Incarnation.

So you believe!

ippy

[Humph Warden Bennett]

So you believe!

ippy

Iconoclasts are an historical fact, they were most prominent during the reign of God King Hal (one twonk boasted of destroying one of the stained glass windows in Canterbury Cathedral "I have brought down Becket's glass bones", and his immediate heir the boy king Edward VI (it was during his reign that a blind woman was burned at the stake for having the bible read to her, Bloody Mary was innocent of this one).

[Jack Knave]

It's probably all about role models and someone to relate to in the same way kids look up to the same sex parent.

The political classes keep going on about females being in politics and science etc. to encourage girls to take up careers in fields that are dominated by the male species, so that they see them as role models. It's all psychological.

[Jack Knave]

Mary was the mother of a son, who was no doubt conceived in the usual way by Joseph or another human male!

The story goes she was raped by a soldier in some raid by the Romans on her town or region.

[Leonard James]

So floo, you are on a rampage about Mary. Can I ask what you would think of a lady that would erect a shrine out front of her place, so pilgrims can pray to Mary?

She would do far better to spend the money on helping the poor.

[ippy]

Iconoclasts are an historical fact, they were most prominent during the reign of God King Hal (one twonk boasted of destroying one of the stained glass windows in Canterbury Cathedral "I have brought down Becket's glass bones", and his immediate heir the boy king Edward VI (it was during his reign that a blind woman was burned at the stake for having the bible read to her, Bloody Mary was innocent of this one).

It's not against the law to believe anything you like, I suppose it's a bit much damaging those 700 year old windows like the ones on the cathedral there, I wouldn't do that.

ippy

[Ricky Spanish]

So who can we blame for the "immaculate conception" shite?

Ye Olde orthodoxy/catholic types and their dumbass "original sin" doctrine: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11312a.htm

After creating this whole Son of God malarky, within a few generations, they stumbled onto a paradox: You see the doctrine of original sin states that we, being descendants from that manky fruit-eater Adam, all gush straight out of the womb on a crimson waterslide of immorality.

If that is correct then how could the very human Mary in the gospels, who was veritably dripping with sin, be the mother of Jesus?

They tried to find the answer in the gospels.. they tried to find it in the Hebrew Bible.~

~They failed, so they banked on the fact that the illiterate would accept any shite story their best "Theologians" at the time could come up with  - so the story that they manufactured was that God retconned its own love life.

It visited Mary at the precise moment of her conception to scrub the original sin right out of her to accommodate their future sons purity..

A story not found in either old or new testaments - but when did that ever matter?

[Humph Warden Bennett]

The story goes she was raped by a soldier in some raid by the Romans on her town or region.

One Tiberius Pantera, I think ( Ihave read the story but it was yonks ago).