Christian Traditions (posts split from Pagan Board)

[Owlswing]

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This post of Owlswing's has been used as on OP for a thread of posts from the Seasons thread (Pagan Board) that comprised an off-topic discussion on Christian Tradition.


Good evening Lady Rhi

This is the main fault with Christians - they are convinced - to the n^th degree, that the bible IS fact and its entirety and with no exceptions!

Yet they still cannot agree on where Christ's tomb was and still cannot find it.

There is no record of a census requiring all Jews to return to their place of birth in 0CE, but according to the Christians, this is becasue the records have been lost, not becase they never existed.

I am amazed that no Christian has yet stood up in a criminal court and plead 'Not Guilty by reason of the fact that the bible says that it is OK to do what I did' to some crime or other.

One of the biggest problem I have is that, even when their strongly held beliefs are proved to be wrong they are convinced that it is the proof that is in error and not their beliefs and their bible. 

BB

)O(

[ad_orientem]

Good evening Lady Rhi

This is the main fault with Christians - they are convinced - to the n^th degree, that the bible IS fact and its entirety and with no exceptions!

Yet they still cannot agree on where Christ's tomb was and still cannot find it.

There is no record of a census requiring all Jews to return to their place of birth in 0CE, but according to the Christians, this is becasue the records have been lost, not becase they never existed.

I am amazed that no Christian has yet stood up in a criminal court and plead 'Not Guilty by reason of the fact that the bible says that it is OK to do what I did' to some crime or other.

One of the biggest problem I have is that, even when their strongly held beliefs are proved to be wrong they are convinced that it is the proof that is in error and not their beliefs and their bible. 

BB

)O(

Never heard of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre then?

[Jack Knave]

If so, at least I have an argument. You haven't given one so far except pagans (mis)interpreted the seasons before Christianity. That means naught though. There have always been believers in the true God since Adam and Eve.

Are you one of those who thinks the world is 6000 years old?

What you are doing is what all dictators do - rewrite history to put themselves in a good light and create a narrative into times past to give themselves legitimacy.

[ad_orientem]

Are you one of those who thinks the world is 6000 years old?

What you are doing is what all dictators do - rewrite history to put themselves in a good light and create a narrative into times past to give themselves legitimacy.

I'm not a young earther, no. Anyway, my original point was that being Christian and a new ager are contradictory. You can't be both without falling into some sort of semi-paganism. The Apostle had the pagans sussed in his epistle to the Romans.

[Owlswing]

Never heard of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre then?

yes but . . .

The tomb of Jesus may refer to any place where it is believed that Jesus was entombed.

Places that have been proposed as the location of such a tomb include:

    Church of the Holy Sepulchre, Jerusalem
    Garden Tomb, discovered in the 19th century outside the old city of Jerusalem
    Talpiot Tomb, rock-cut tomb in the East Talpiot neighborhood, five kilometers south of the Old City in East Jerusalem
    Roza Bal, the reputed tomb of Jesus in Kashmir

OK - Ad_O,  which one is the "real" one and who and on what authority decides which is the "real" one.

[ad_orientem]

The Church of the Holy Sepulchre, the true cross and tomb having been found by St. Helena, mother of the holy emperor Constantine. God revealed the place to her in a vision or dream.

[Owlswing]

The Church of the Holy Sepulchre, the true cross and tomb having been found by St. Helena, mother of the holy emperor Constantine. God revealed the place to her in a vision or dream.

I might actually have believed you were it not for the last sentence above!

[ad_orientem]

I might actually have believed you were it not for the last sentence above!

The authenticity of the site of the Church was proven by a miracle which happenned when St. Helena found the true cross.

[Owlswing]

The authenticity of the site of the Church was proven by a miracle which happenned when St. Helena found the true cross.

Miracle - another way of describing a witch's spell when performed by Christ (before or after crucufixtion) - same thing, different name, same procedure, different assisting deity, but still a witch's spell.

[jeremyp]

The authenticity of the site of the Church was proven by a miracle which happenned when St. Helena found the true cross.

That's just a story.

[ad_orientem]

Miracle - another way of describing a witch's spell when performed by Christ (before or after crucufixtion) - same thing, different name, same procedure, different assisting deity, but still a witch's spell.

Nope. Two completely different things.

[jeremyp]

Nope. Two completely different things.

Not to any non Christian. What you are doing is called special pleading.

[ad_orientem]

That's just a story.

It is what happened.

[ad_orientem]

Not to any non Christian. What you are doing is called special pleading.

Not at all. You don't have to be a Christian to know the difference between a spell and a miracle. A spell is a form of words supposed to have magic power. A miracle is an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause.

[jeremyp]

It is what happened.

You keep telling yourself that. Can you point to any contemporary accounts that verify that she found the true cross? Nope.

[jeremyp]

Not at all. You don't have to be a Christian to see the difference between a spell and a miracle.

They are both magic. The difference is only that Christians approve of one and not the other.

[ad_orientem]

You keep telling yourself that. Can you point to any contemporary accounts that verify that she found the true cross? Nope.

Eusebius of Caesarea.

[Shaker]

It is what happened.

Prove it.

[Owlswing]

Nope. Two completely different things.

The same, using one's own inate power of will to make a change in the physical world with either the assistance or aquiescence of a deity - Christ's miracles and his god and a witch and his/hers.

Exactly the same thing!

[ad_orientem]

The same, using one's own inate power of will to make a change in the physical world with either the assistance or aquiescence of a deity - Christ's miracles and his god and a witch and his/hers.

Exactly the same thing!

No. You're obviously an idiot.

[Shaker]

No. You're obviously an idiot.

And you're obviously constitutionally incapable of constructing a reasoned argument.

Bald assertion - plenty of that.

Faith masquerading as fact - tons of it.

Inability to tell the difference between rational argument based upon evidence and mere assertion - by the yard.

But an actual argument - not a chance.

[ekim]

They are both magic. The difference is only that Christians approve of one and not the other.

Here you go Jeremy .... an opportunity to witness what the Eastern Church classes as a miracle ..... http://www.holyfire.org/eng/

[Leonard James]

Here you go Jeremy .... an opportunity to witness what the Eastern Church classes as a miracle ..... http://www.holyfire.org/eng/

They are gullible enough to believe anything that backs up their idiotic beliefs. 

[Gordon]

Moderator:

As noted in the OP, this thread comprises posts that were originally in the Seasons thread (Pagan Board) but were off-topic there and, as such, have been split into this new thread. 

[jeremyp]

Eusebius of Caesarea.

That verify that she found the True Cross, not just a cross (or three).

What tests did she do to make sure she had the right one? Please avoid talking about miracles, because, if anything, miracles are an indication of fiction.