The End of the NHS?

[Khatru]

So now the government have imposed new contracts on all junior doctors giving them little choice but to take it or leave it.

Seems to me that a failing NHS is just what the government want.  Then they can break it down and sell it off cheaply to their Tory pals.  A perfectly good public service, defunded, with de-moralised staff and sold at a knock-down price to the Tories old school pals.

Let them run it down and endanger public health while they cream off millions in profits.

When it starts to fall apart they can always appoint an investigatory committee who will report back denying liability and blaming the victims.

Finally, they can always go back to the government asking for public money to bail them out.

[Brownie]

We had a lot of this before under Thatcher but the NHS survived in spite of her.  I worked in the NHS for years and remember how glad everyone was, even those who were not politically inclined, when she went - and the NHS improved drastically in a very short while.  Same with home care for sick and disabled people.

I do not understand the Tory attitude towards the NHS, they would all be glad enough to be treated in A&E if necessary.

[jeremyp]

We had a lot of this before under Thatcher but the NHS survived in spite of her.  I worked in the NHS for years and remember how glad everyone was, even those who were not politically inclined, when she went - and the NHS improved drastically in a very short while.  Same with home care for sick and disabled people.

I think your memory is flawed. Thatcher didn't do anything much to the NHS except increase its funding in real terms every year she was in office.

[Nearly Sane]

Stunned at Labour being unable to make anything of this, even with the splits in the party this should be easy.

[Hope]

So now the government have imposed new contracts on all junior doctors giving them little choice but to take it or leave it.

Seems to me that a failing NHS is just what the government want.  Then they can break it down and sell it off cheaply to their Tory pals.  A perfectly good public service, defunded, with de-moralised staff and sold at a knock-down price to the Tories old school pals.

Let them run it down and endanger public health while they cream off millions in profits.

When it starts to fall apart they can always appoint an investigatory committee who will report back denying liability and blaming the victims.

Finally, they can always go back to the government asking for public money to bail them out.

So, do you agree with the Tory belief in the necessity for a 7-day, rather than a 5-day service, Khat?  Can't say that I've ever heard the idea from Labour and other left-wing parties.

[Hope]

Stunned at Labour being unable to make anything of this, even with the splits in the party this should be easy.

They can't make anything of it because thay haven't even caught up with the underlying reason for the new contracts - a 7-day NHS service.

[Nearly Sane]

So, do you agree with the Tory belief in the necessity for a 7-day, rather than a 5-day service, Khat?  Can't say that I've ever heard the idea from Labour and other left-wing parties.

It is a 7 day service. Hunt had either spent a lot of time touting lies about what happens at weekends or been unable to understand stats and the whole issue of cause and effect. It's a smokescreen built on rafts floated in oceans of pish
 

[Nearly Sane]

They can't make anything of it because thay haven't even caught up with the underlying reason for the new contracts - a 7-day NHS service.

Which already happens. The new contracts do nothing to change the actual hours worked.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I would like a secularist to explain why it is the more secular British society gets, the more we get toward ''Blessed are the rich?''

Also why does the libertarian tendency have a big shoe in in the British Humanist Association? I speak here of the right winger Matt Ridley who often preaches on the BHA website?

[Shaker]

I would like a secularist to explain why it is the more secular British society gets, the more we get toward ''Blessed are the rich?''

Leaving aside your habitual and seemingly irremediable misunderstanding of secularism, you seem to be forgetting that we have a Tory government and had a Tory-led coalition for years before that.

[ad_orientem]

I'm amazed how anyone of working class vould ever vote for a neo-lib party. I just don't get it. Neo-libs work against the interests of the working class.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Leaving aside your habitual and seemingly irremediable misunderstanding of secularism, you seem to be forgetting that we have a Tory government and had a Tory-led coalition for years before that.

yes but come on, you all argue that a secular society is better but the more secular we get, the less rights we seem to get, the more insecure we get, the less money we get, the less healthcare we get, etc, etc,

We had Tory governments after the war and it was less as it is.

[Khatru]

So, do you agree with the Tory belief in the necessity for a 7-day, rather than a 5-day service, Khat?  Can't say that I've ever heard the idea from Labour and other left-wing parties.

Actually, it already is a seven-day service.

The Tories just want more for less.

[jakswan]

I'm amazed how anyone of working class vould ever vote for a neo-lib party. I just don't get it. Neo-libs work against the interests of the working class.

You think rationalism is overrated.

[Gonnagle]

Dearest me,

What's all the fuss about, the NHS is not the big story the EU is, in or out, in our out, concentrate, no don't look at the NHS, who cares about foodbanks, your eyes are becoming heavy, forget about the NHS, you are feeling sleepy, the country is fine, sleeeeeep, when I snap my fingers you will wake up and forget about NHS, Mr Cameron the master of smoke and mirrors is in charge, he will rescue the country.

Gonnagle.

[jeremyp]

So, do you agree with the Tory belief in the necessity for a 7-day, rather than a 5-day service, Khat?

Have you ever been in a hospital at the weekend? I can assure you that they are very much open for business.

Can't say that I've ever heard the idea from Labour and other left-wing parties.

Because Jeremy Hunt's idea is stupid.

[L.A.]

Stunned at Labour being unable to make anything of this, even with the splits in the party this should be easy.

Half the Labour party are busy contemplating their navels and planing their nuclear-free fantasy-land, while the rest are covering their heads and wondering when the nightmare will end.

[jakswan]

So now the government have imposed new contracts on all junior doctors giving them little choice but to take it or leave it.

Seems to me that a failing NHS is just what the government want.  Then they can break it down and sell it off cheaply to their Tory pals.  A perfectly good public service, defunded, with de-moralised staff and sold at a knock-down price to the Tories old school pals.

Let them run it down and endanger public health while they cream off millions in profits.

When it starts to fall apart they can always appoint an investigatory committee who will report back denying liability and blaming the victims.

Finally, they can always go back to the government asking for public money to bail them out.

Whilst I disagree with the way the Tories have handled this ranting producing hysterical scaremongering nonsense is counter productive.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Whilst I disagree with the way the Tories have handled this ranting producing hysterical scaremongering nonsense is counter productive.

Only because the Tories like pissing people off, particularly if they care about something.

[Jack Knave]

The Health and Social Care Act was the start of the end of the NHS and TTIP will allow all those American medical firms to pile in. This attack on the junior doctors is just part of all this.

[Hope]

So now the government have imposed new contracts on all junior doctors giving them little choice but to take it or leave it.

Seems to me that a failing NHS is just what the government want.  Then they can break it down and sell it off cheaply to their Tory pals.  A perfectly good public service, defunded, with de-moralised staff and sold at a knock-down price to the Tories old school pals.

Let them run it down and endanger public health while they cream off millions in profits.

When it starts to fall apart they can always appoint an investigatory committee who will report back denying liability and blaming the victims.

Finally, they can always go back to the government asking for public money to bail them out.

My take on the issue is that we are happily allowing people to live longer and longer, suffering from ever more serious, and therefore expensive health conditions, and the Health Service is being transformed from within compared to what it was originally set up as.

[Hope]

Only because the Tories like pissing people off, particularly if they care about something.

The Tories like 'pissing people off' so much that they have been taken part in discussions with the various parties involved for over 2 years.  There has been dramatic movement from both sides of the discussion, yet the BMA suddenly stop the talks.  That seems to me to be a 6 of one, and half a dozen of the other situation.

[Sassy]

So now the government have imposed new contracts on all junior doctors giving them little choice but to take it or leave it.

Seems to me that a failing NHS is just what the government want.  Then they can break it down and sell it off cheaply to their Tory pals.  A perfectly good public service, defunded, with de-moralised staff and sold at a knock-down price to the Tories old school pals.

Let them run it down and endanger public health while they cream off millions in profits.

When it starts to fall apart they can always appoint an investigatory committee who will report back denying liability and blaming the victims.

Finally, they can always go back to the government asking for public money to bail them out.

PRIVATISATION

That is what it is all about. Making those who can pay and those who can't afford medical insurance will go without.
They think we cannot see it. Some are so fogged up with the cost of health blaming the paying insurance public and not the bad management by the government.

The truth is in closing the first hospital A&E of the first NHS hospital then shutting it down permanently they think they get rid
of the health care for all. Then then introduce the insurance scam like USA. The benefits system already reflected.
The truth is that God will allow them to go far with oppressing the poor then there will be the Almighty crash when it falls down around their ears. The first action was to stop the working class in the pubs where believe it or not a lot of politics amongst working class were thrashed out.  Now they want to make Britain about forking out for medical insurance to receive treatment and make it so families have to live on the street without any help. They removed the blanket if hope and support.

They have put financial hardship on the poor. Tossed out mentally ill people on the street and so closed down the way forward to look after them. BUT  God will only allow it to go far before he quoshes it...  GB is island is does not have over 50 states.
We are better equipped to bring our government down and it's oppression against the poor.
God helps those who caused it...

[L.A.]

Hi Sass,

as long as there is a commitment for NHS treatment free at the point of delivery why would it matter who does the treatment as long as they are competent?

I might be having an operation in the near future and I couldn't give a damn whether a private company is involved or not. My greater concern is striking *doctors!

*Rude words omitted as they might need to be censored.

[jakswan]

Only because the Tories like pissing people off, particularly if they care about something.

I cant debate with children sorry.