"What we've got here is failure to communicate..."

[Khatru]

That's what the man in "Cool Hand Luke" said

I guess that's one of the problems with the god of the Bible; he's an appallingly bad communicator. 

The CEO of any company needs to communicate effectively with his people. If a company is in a mess and people aren't getting the message then the buck stops with the CEO.

Why should an omniscient god be wholly exonerated of blame when he fails to ensure that his message is clearly understood? You've only got to look at the numerous different bibles that are out there to see that whatever the Bible god thinks, he doesn't seem too perturbed about the confused message he's sending out. Factor that in with thousands of different Christian denominations, sects and cults, all sure that their particular interpretation of whatever bible they choose to read is the true belief and you have a recipe for confusion.

[OH MY WORLD!]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq7xhYuuqCs

[Sriram]

That's what the man in "Cool Hand Luke" said

I guess that's one of the problems with the god of the Bible; he's an appallingly bad communicator.

The CEO of any company needs to communicate effectively with his people. If a company is in a mess and people aren't getting the message then the buck stops with the CEO.

Why should an omniscient god be wholly exonerated of blame when he fails to ensure that his message is clearly understood? You've only got to look at the numerous different bibles that are out there to see that whatever the Bible god thinks, he doesn't seem too perturbed about the confused message he's sending out. Factor that in with thousands of different Christian denominations, sects and cults, all sure that their particular interpretation of whatever bible they choose to read is the true belief and you have a recipe for confusion.

If the organisation is very large with several levels... the CEO will communicate only with the senior management and expect the communication to get passed on down through various levels. That's what the sages, saints, prophets and others are probably doing.

[Sassy]

That's what the man in "Cool Hand Luke" said

I guess that's one of the problems with the god of the Bible; he's an appallingly bad communicator.

The CEO of any company needs to communicate effectively with his people. If a company is in a mess and people aren't getting the message then the buck stops with the CEO.

Why should an omniscient god be wholly exonerated of blame when he fails to ensure that his message is clearly understood? You've only got to look at the numerous different bibles that are out there to see that whatever the Bible god thinks, he doesn't seem too perturbed about the confused message he's sending out. Factor that in with thousands of different Christian denominations, sects and cults, all sure that their particular interpretation of whatever bible they choose to read is the true belief and you have a recipe for confusion.

Who said Gods message is not clearly understood?
Your post and content is a load of rubbish and there is absolutely no proof of the false accusation or knowledge in the bible to support it.

There is no confused message. Can you please list the THOUSANDS (PLURAL) NOT singular of Christian denominations, sects and cults and different interpretations.

You can't as they don't exist. You know it, I know it, and everyone else knows it.
Your writings are starting to become familiar just a matter of time....

What we really have here is a failure to be able to tell and smell the bull sh*t being posted by the poster themselves.

I suppose there is so many false stories put about by atheists that they cannot tell what is really atheist bull sh*t they have created and the truth in the bible.

[floo]

That's what the man in "Cool Hand Luke" said

I guess that's one of the problems with the god of the Bible; he's an appallingly bad communicator.

The CEO of any company needs to communicate effectively with his people. If a company is in a mess and people aren't getting the message then the buck stops with the CEO.

Why should an omniscient god be wholly exonerated of blame when he fails to ensure that his message is clearly understood? You've only got to look at the numerous different bibles that are out there to see that whatever the Bible god thinks, he doesn't seem too perturbed about the confused message he's sending out. Factor that in with thousands of different Christian denominations, sects and cults, all sure that their particular interpretation of whatever bible they choose to read is the true belief and you have a recipe for confusion.

If the deity exists why doesn't it communicate in person with ALL humans, so they can see, hear and touch him?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

That's what the man in "Cool Hand Luke" said

I guess that's one of the problems with the god of the Bible; he's an appallingly bad communicator.

The CEO of any company needs to communicate effectively with his people. If a company is in a mess and people aren't getting the message then the buck stops with the CEO.

Why should an omniscient god be wholly exonerated of blame when he fails to ensure that his message is clearly understood? You've only got to look at the numerous different bibles that are out there to see that whatever the Bible god thinks, he doesn't seem too perturbed about the confused message he's sending out. Factor that in with thousands of different Christian denominations, sects and cults, all sure that their particular interpretation of whatever bible they choose to read is the true belief and you have a recipe for confusion.

But surely when you have many people obviously scrabbling around clutching at any excuse not to turn to God
....philosophically, ontologically, morally, culturally, everywhichway and for just the protection of the ego it's a bit of a giveaway that these people are actually haunted by a God they SAY they do not believe.

Indeed the approach you are using now actually confirms the argument for an objective morality since you are appealing to a greater morality and to borrow a bit of Anselm here I would have to say ....and that Lord, is you.

Your problem as far as I see it is to bowdlerise God and the Bible to fit your argument.

You accuse Christians of not facing up to somethings in the bible while you are guilty of not facing up to the entirety of it.

Finally one would have to ask if God is a fairy tale for you why are you so passionate?

[Shaker]

The deficiency of your amateur (very amateur) psychology is transparent, Vlad.

You mistake passion for the ability to demolish the woeful arguments put forward for the existence of gods - which, let's face it, is done here on a daily basis.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

The deficiency of your amateur (very amateur) psychology is transparent, Vlad.

You mistake passion for the ability to demolish the woeful arguments put forward for the existence of gods - which, let's face it, is done here on a daily basis.

As I pointed out to you merely summoning up an alternative idea is NOT demolition.
But that isn't the point which is the desperate way you and others scrabble about looking for loopholes and clutching at straws...the most entertaining of which was Outrider on uncaused cause.

[Shaker]

As I pointed out to you merely summoning up an alternative idea is NOT demolition.

Showing an argument to be logically flawed (i.e. a bad argument) or to show that it has absolutely no evidence whatever in its support is, though.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

The deficiency of your amateur (very amateur) psychology is transparent, Vlad.

So transparent, I suppose, that the assertion of it's transparency needs no justification?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Showing an argument to be logically flawed (i.e. a bad argument) or to show that it has absolutely no evidence whatever in its support is, though.

I'm sorry but you merely sweat the small stuff here just to turd polish the big problems with the antitheist argument.

The circularity of materialism, The arbitrary nature of naturalism, scientism, the confusion of methodology and philosophy, the simultaneous denunciation of the immorality of God and advocacy of moral irrealism, Outriders alternative to uncaused cause, the just is ism of Russell and Dawkins....which leads us to question what actual arguments HAVE been shown to be incorrect by people like yourself.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Shakes,

It's not for me to tell you what to do, but I would suggest that troll feeding is a pointless exercise. No matter how many times you explain why 2+ 4 ≠ 5, you'll be met with a stream of "oh so you think the moon is made of cream cheese then" straw men; diversionary tactics and failures to respond to any arguments that have actually been made; accusations of behaviours that are actually those of the troll himself; going quiet for a bit and then reappearing to repeat the original mistakes and fallacious arguments; launching incomprehensibly mangled sentences; and, as his final resort, personal abuse.

Me, I've given up feeding the resident troll's maw of dull incomprehension and deep dishonesty - it's your call though.   



 

[jeremyp]

Who said Gods message is not clearly understood?

Pretty much anybody who isn't an idiot. You only have to look at the number of different Christian denominations to realise that.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Shakes,

It's not for me to tell you what to do, but I would suggest that troll feeding is a pointless exercise. No matter how many times you explain why 2+ 4 ≠ 5, you'll be met with a stream of "oh so you think the moon is made of cream cheese then" straw men; diversionary tactics and failures to respond to any arguments that have actually been made; accusations of behaviours that are actually those of the troll himself; going quiet for a bit and then reappearing to repeat the original mistakes and fallacious arguments; launching incomprehensibly mangled sentences; and, as his final resort, personal abuse.

Me, I've given up feeding the resident troll's maw of dull incomprehension and deep dishonesty - it's your call though.   
 

Goodness, gracious me.....Excommunicated!!!

[Gonnagle]

Dear Khatru,

Not Gods failure it is the staff he employs.

The "core value" of the company is Love, but we seem to have to much "blue sky thinking", in "going forward" staff must at all times remember to "touch base" which is Love.

As the man says in the GodFather 3 movie, "all our ships must sail in the same direction" to "get the ball rolling" we must at all times remember to "drill down" to our "core value" Love.

When staff consult the "company manual" they must avoid the "strategic staircase" and "focus on" our "core value".

Dear Staff,

The Commander in Chief would just like to remind staff of the importance of the Two Greatest commandments, this is your "core mission" he would also like to remind you that "staff appraisals" are on going, come Judgement day "end of year evaluation" you really don't want to be behind TW in the queue.

Gonnagle.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Shakes,

It's not for me to tell you what to do, but I would suggest that troll feeding is a pointless exercise. No matter how many times you explain why 2+ 4 ≠ 5, you'll be met with a stream of "oh so you think the moon is made of cream cheese then" straw men; diversionary tactics and failures to respond to any arguments that have actually been made; accusations of behaviours that are actually those of the troll himself; going quiet for a bit and then reappearing to repeat the original mistakes and fallacious arguments; launching incomprehensibly mangled sentences; and, as his final resort, personal abuse.

Me, I've given up feeding the resident troll's maw of dull incomprehension and deep dishonesty - it's your call though.   

And that's another thing...why should Hillside come on here, ad hom, someone he says he is ignoring to derail this thread?

More evidence of God avoidance?

[Khatru]

Who said Gods message is not clearly understood?
Your post and content is a load of rubbish and there is absolutely no proof of the false accusation or knowledge in the bible to support it.

I see.  You're going to tell me that you are fully understanding of your deity of choice and his message.

Care to have a go at interpreting these scriptures oh knowledgeable one...

[1] "Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses." - Ezekiel 23:19-20

[2] "His breasts are full of milk." - Job 21:24

[3] "If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity." - Deuteronomy 25:11-12

[4]“And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight." - Ezekiel 4:12

[5]“The fathers shall eat the sons in the midst of thee, and the sons shall eat their fathers.”- Ezekiel 5:10

[6]“As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.”- Proverbs 26:11

[7]“Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces.”- Mal.2:3

Why so much preoccupation with coprophilia, human cannibalism, gynecomastia, and the like?

And what's all this interest in donkey dongs and horse cum. O holy! holy! holy!

There is no confused message. Can you please list the THOUSANDS (PLURAL) NOT singular of Christian denominations, sects and cults and different interpretations.

http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/a106.htm

[Khatru]

But surely when you have many people obviously scrabbling around clutching at any excuse not to turn to God
....philosophically, ontologically, morally, culturally, everywhichway and for just the protection of the ego it's a bit of a giveaway that these people are actually haunted by a God they SAY they do not believe.

Indeed the approach you are using now actually confirms the argument for an objective morality since you are appealing to a greater morality and to borrow a bit of Anselm here I would have to say ....and that Lord, is you.

Your problem as far as I see it is to bowdlerise God and the Bible to fit your argument.

You accuse Christians of not facing up to somethings in the bible while you are guilty of not facing up to the entirety of it.

Finally one would have to ask if God is a fairy tale for you why are you so passionate?

If the god of the Bible meant for his message to be understood then that same evidence suggests he's failed.

Otherwise we wouldn't have so many different Christian denominations and sects each claiming to be right at the expense of the others. 

Then of course, we have the mixed messages in the Bible itself - sure there are good things in there but it's not short of primitive barbarisms either. 

Nietzsche questioned the goodness of an omniscient, omnipotent god who doesn't even make sure that his creatures understand his intention. This god who allows doubts to persist for thousands of years. Nietzsche went on to liken the god of the Bible to a deaf man making all kinds of ambiguous signs and gestures when some sort of danger is present.

I hear that Jesus Christ is the son of the supreme cosmic mega being and he was sent to suffer and die in some sort of weird sado-masochistic manner in order for the cosmic mega being to forgive us. 

The communication is so poor that we have to take on trust a miraculous event that was supposedly witnessed by hundreds if not thousands of people that included cameos by prophets like Elijah and Moses went unrecorded. Virtually no historical documentation whatsoever, not a single scrap of papyrus, no drawings on buildings by the faithful, nothing. 

And we are apparently wagering an eternity in paradise or hell on this poor communication because the benevolent deity that chose to broadcast his message so obliquely will be angry at us if we conclude that the story is an embellishment or a fabrication since it should be abundantly clear that it is in fact, a fact. 

Poor communication indeed.

The very fact that "belief" is demanded as a means of "salvation" is itself a clue that what is really going on here is psychology of the same form that is used by chain letters to propagate themselves. Also true to form as in all good chain letters there are also the dire threats of ignoring the 'offer'.

[Leonard James]

I see.  You're going to tell me that you are fully understanding of your deity of choice and his message.

Care to have a go at interpreting these scriptures oh knowledgeable one...

[1] "Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses." - Ezekiel 23:19-20

[2] "His breasts are full of milk." - Job 21:24

[3] "If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity." - Deuteronomy 25:11-12

[4]“And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight." - Ezekiel 4:12

[5]“The fathers shall eat the sons in the midst of thee, and the sons shall eat their fathers.”- Ezekiel 5:10

[6]“As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.”- Proverbs 26:11

[7]“Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces.”- Mal.2:3

Why so much preoccupation with coprophilia, human cannibalism, gynecomastia, and the like?

And what's all this interest in donkey dongs and horse cum. O holy! holy! holy!

You must remember that Sassy is "God's" personal friend and envoy. She always knows best! 

[floo]

You must remember that Sassy is "God's" personal friend and envoy. She always knows best! 

She must be my late mother-in-law's clone!

[Sebastian Toe]

There is no confused message. Can you please list the THOUSANDS (PLURAL) NOT singular of Christian denominations, sects and cults and different interpretations.

Here is a list of 5157 DENOMINATIONS from the Protestant arm of Christianity alone.

http://www.biblicalcatholic.com/DENOMS.php

You can't

Just did.

 as they don't exist.

They do exist.

You know it, I know it, and everyone else knows it.

Now you know it and everyone who reads it knows it also.

[Hope]

If the deity exists why doesn't it communicate in person with ALL humans, so they can see, hear and touch him?

Well, there are things like Bibles and churches, pastors and scholars.  Then there is pray and other Christians.  Or are you suggesting that the only way anyone - deity or otherwise - can communicate in person is by accompanying each human being 24/7?

[floo]

Well, there are things like Bibles and churches, pastors and scholars.  Then there is pray and other Christians.  Or are you suggesting that the only way anyone - deity or otherwise - can communicate in person is by accompanying each human being 24/7?

If the deity exists it should communicate directly, NOT using the middle man who makes up their own thoughts about what the deity is supposed to be saying!

[Khatru]

Finally one would have to ask if God is a fairy tale for you why are you so passionate?

Sorry, I missed this bit....

Gods, plural.  I make no distinction between the Bible god nor the Dreamtime Snake of the Australian Aborigines.

Passionate?

When we unbelievers build our own churches of unbelief all over the country, you can come and talk about passion.

When unbelievers have atheistic inscriptions on national monuments, we can talk about passion.

When unbelievers leave atheistic books in hotel rooms, we can talk about passion.

When the statute book provides for atheist assemblies at schools, we can talk about passion.

Best to keep religion in your homes, churches, temples and mosques where it belongs.

[Hope]

Best to keep religion in your homes, churches, temples and mosques where it belongs.

When atheists are able to keep their atheism in their homes and meeting places like this, we'll keep our religion in the places you mention, Khatru.