Pope John Paul II...

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Hi everyone,

1. The sex need is considered the most powerful (even more than hunger and sleep) of our basic urges.

No...that would be the urge to post on message board forums.

[Nearly Sane]

Eh? If a man feels he cannot commit to celibacy then he obviously is not called to the priesthood.

And the prize for random non sequitur answer goes to ad_orientem. Whenever you want to approach within shouting distance of discussion, get back to me.

[ad_orientem]

Hi everyone,

1. The sex need is considered the most powerful (even more than hunger and sleep) of our basic urges. It directly links us to our animal past.....and among all those urges that we share with animals, sex is the most powerful.

2. Even many people who can control their eating and sleeping....find it difficult to control their sexual urge.

3. Sex has more of the mental element than the physical and out thoughts and imagination can contribute considerably to our sexual urge. This is another reason why controlling the sex urge is important. 

4. Also, unlike hunger and sleep, sex can contribute to very powerful jealousies, anger, possessiveness etc. Even murder can be 

5. One might share ones last piece of bread but no one will share his woman.  If anyone shares a woman he is considered a horrible and brutal person.

6. Unlike hunger, sex involves the likes and dislikes, approval and disapproval of another person...so it needs to be kept in check more carefully.  Rapes and molestation happen for sex...not  for food.

7. Society has sought to control this very important animal urge through various ways. First through a system of marriage, then monogamy....and in special instances, celibacy. 
 
8. We can see from our own lives that if a person eats too much we don't necessarily dislike that person (we even like such people often), but if a person is a sex maniac he is usually shunned as a pervert and a psychopath.

9. Controlling the sex urge is therefore a direct link to our civilized nature. It separates the human from the animal-like most significantly.

No wonder celibacy is considered an important sign of ones advancement from the animal nature.

Cheers.

Sriram

Fasting is important. That and controlling one's sexual urges go hand-in-hand. Christians, especially western Christians, have forgotten the importance of fasting.

[Rhiannon]

Then such is free to leave the priesthood.

And yet they feel called by God to be a priest and so they aren't free to do anything of the kind.

See the problem?

[ad_orientem]

And the prize for random non sequitur answer goes to ad_orientem. Whenever you want to approach within shouting distance of discussion, get back to me.

No, it's not a non sequitur, it's the logical conclusion.

[Nearly Sane]

1. Alongside CAPITALIZATION

and


2. boldening


3. Numbering one's assertions makes them valid.

[ad_orientem]

And yet they feel called by God to be a priest and so they aren't free to do anything of the kind.

See the problem?

As I said, there is no problem. Cannot commit equals not called.

[Rhiannon]

As I said, there is no problem. Cannot commit equals not called.

You know this how?

[Nearly Sane]

No, it's not a non sequitur, it's the logical conclusion.

In what way did it address my post that your gender specific hierarchy with its fucked up attitude to sex has lead to people being mistreated because of their gender, dying because condom is a naughty word. Read the posts don't just speak your weight pablum.

[Sriram]

Fasting is important. That and controlling one's sexual urges go hand-in-hand. Christians, especially western Christians, have forgotten the importance of fasting.

Yes...I agree. All religions insist on fasting too as a form of self control. These are all means of self discipline....that make us develop beyond our animal urges.

My point was that the sex urge is more powerful than even eating.....and also involves greater chances of causing harm.  That is why it is more 'immoral' than even gluttony.

[Rhiannon]

Yes...I agree. All religions insist on fasting too as a form of self control. These are all means of self discipline....that make us develop beyond our animal urges.

My point was that the sex urge is more powerful than even eating.....and also involves greater chances of causing harm.  That is why it is more 'immoral' than even gluttony.

Sex is immoral? Really? 

[Shaker]

As I said, there is no problem. Cannot commit equals not called.

A distinct whiff of No True Scotsmanism hangs over this one.

[Nearly Sane]

I like a good fuck as much anyone but if anyone thinks it trumps eating as a desire, then they have never been starving.

[Shaker]

I like a good fuck as much anyone

And to be fair, even the bad ones are still pretty good

[Nearly Sane]

Yes...I agree. All religions insist on fasting too as a form of self control. These are all means of self discipline....that make us develop beyond our animal urges.

My point was that the sex urge is more powerful than even eating.....and also involves greater chances of causing harm.  That is why it is more 'immoral' than even gluttony.

You are using apples and oranges here since you talk about the sex urge and gluttony. It would need to be the eating urge and the sex urge. That you do this is, I suggest, because you have an even more powerful urge, the illogic urge.

[ad_orientem]

In what way did it address my post that your gender specific hierarchy with its fucked up attitude to sex has lead to people being mistreated because of their gender, dying because condom is a naughty word. Read the posts don't just speak your weight pablum.

The problem isn't what the Church teaches. If people practiced what the Church teaches there would be no problem. Not using a condom but sleeping around is not what the Church teaches.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I like a good fuck as much anyone

You need to keep up with my demolitions of Bluehillside and Shaker then.

[ad_orientem]

You know this how?

From personal experience. I once thought I was called to the priesthood. I very nearly entered seminary.

[Nearly Sane]

And to be fair, even the bad ones are still pretty good

You know the more I read posts on here about sex, I think Woody Allen was wrong. The line 'Is sex dirty? Only if you are doing it right.'; needs 'doing it right' replaced with 'religious'

[Nearly Sane]

The problem isn't what the Church teaches. If people practiced what the Church teaches there would be no problem. Not using a condom but sleeping around is not what the Church teaches.

Does this mean you at least admit that your previous answer was a ridiculous non sequitur?

And why having done that, you now essentially quote mine and ignore institutional sexism that I raised first both times which has led to the church teaching chattelism of women through the ages.

[Sriram]

Sex is immoral? Really?

If that is what you have understood after reading all my posts here...you have a problem.  You are just understanding it the way you want to understand it (misunderstand it in other words).

The issue is about discipline. Indiscipline is immoral....in eating and more so in sex.

The entire emphasis is on discipline, regulation and control.

[Shaker]

You need to keep up with my demolitions of Bluehillside and Shaker then.

Where did this occur?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Where did this occur?

Every time you use your key board........................Back of the net.

[Shaker]

Every time you use your key board........................Back of the net.

There's confidence and then there's arrant delusion.

[Nearly Sane]

If that is what you have understood after reading all my posts here...you have a problem.  You are just understanding it the way you want to understand it (misunderstand it in other words).

The issue is about discipline. Indiscipline is immoral....in eating and more so in sex.

The entire emphasis is on discipline, regulation and control.

Except you, in your typically lesser developed way, have either been unable to understand Rhiannon, or chosen to lie about it, when she picked you up for your confusion between gluttony/eating urge. But I suppose given your lack of development, as a better developed being I should forgive you - but I think that bit of development is the next life but one.