Pope John Paul II...

[Shaker]

From personal experience. I once thought I was called to the priesthood. I very nearly entered seminary.

I suppose it would have been a seminal experience.

Be that as it may or may it not be as it may be not, your own experience does not confer the right to extend it universally.

[Gonnagle]

Dear ad o,

Help me out old son I am a tad confused about all this celibacy nonsense, in our few exchanges on this forum you seem to hold the Apostles in high regard, Peter, the guy who got the keys, the one who Jesus said,

Mathew 16:18

And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

He was a married man, he could appreciate a good mother in law joke, in fact I think quite a few Apostles were married, what's all the fuss about celibacy.

Gonnagle.

[Nearly Sane]

Dear ad o,

Help me out old son I am a tad confused about all this celibacy nonsense, in our few exchanges on this forum you seem to hold the Apostles in high regard, Peter, the guy who got the keys, the one who Jesus said,

Mathew 16:18

He was a married man, he could appreciate a good mother in law joke, in fact I think quite a few Apostles were married, what's all the fuss about celibacy.

Gonnagle.

https://www.youtube.com/?hl=en-GB&gl=GB#/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk


https://www.youtube.com/?hl=en-GB&gl=GB#/watch?v=PDBjsFAyiwA

[ad_orientem]

Does this mean you at least admit that your previous answer was a ridiculous non sequitur?

And why having done that, you now essentially quote mine and ignore institutional sexism that I raised first both times which has led to the church teaching chattelism of women through the ages.

Again, eh? I said Church teaching isn't the problem. There is no "institutional sexism".

[ad_orientem]

Dear ad o,

Help me out old son I am a tad confused about all this celibacy nonsense, in our few exchanges on this forum you seem to hold the Apostles in high regard, Peter, the guy who got the keys, the one who Jesus said,

Mathew 16:18

He was a married man, he could appreciate a good mother in law joke, in fact I think quite a few Apostles were married, what's all the fuss about celibacy.

Gonnagle.

There have always been married priests. There question isn't can a married man become a priest. The answer to that is clearly "yes". The question is can a priest get married. The answer to that always has been "no".

If you can't immediately work out the difference, take your time.

[Nearly Sane]

Again, eh? I said Church teaching isn't the problem. There is no "institutional sexism".

So lots of women priests then?

[Nearly Sane]

There have always been married priests. There question isn't can a married man become a priest. The answer to that is clearly "yes". The question is can a priest get married. The answer to that always has been "no".

If you can't immediately work out the difference, take your time.

Ni, he's worked out the details, it's just the entire  hatred of women that it is based on that with which he is having the problem. The huge throbbing, pulsing, ejaculating inability to deal with sex as normal rather than so dirty that you have a wanksock called Daphne into which you have spunked countless generations of potentials

[ad_orientem]

So lots of women priests then?

No. Our Lord desired that only men be ordained to the priesthood.

[ad_orientem]

Ni, he's worked out the details, it's just the entire  hatred of women that it is based on that with which he is having the problem. The huge throbbing, pulsing, ejaculating inability to deal with sex as normal rather than so dirty that you have a wanksock called Daphne into which you have spunked countless generations of potentials

You many have convinced yourself that that's the case but as usual you're deluded.

[Nearly Sane]

You many have convinced yourself that that's the case but as usual you're deluded.

Ok, I admit it, your wanksock is called Scooby.

[Nearly Sane]

No. Our Lord desired that only men be ordained to the priesthood.

and the winner of the definition of 'institutionally sexist' award is ...

[Gonnagle]

Dear ad o,

If you can't immediately work out the difference, take your time.

Aye, yer a funny man, but then I am forgetting it is old ad orientem I am conversing with, the man who would never challenge his Church or the way it thinks.

Gonnagle.

[ad_orientem]

Dear ad o,

Aye, yer a funny man, but then I am forgetting it is old ad orientem I am conversing with, the man who would never challenge his Church or the way it thinks.

Gonnagle.

You did see the distnction, did you not? Married men have always been accepted into the priesthood but single men who enter the priesthood many no longer marry. This is still the practice in the East.

[Nearly Sane]

You did see the distnction, did you not? Married men have always been accepted into the priesthood but single men who enter the priesthood many no longer marry. This is still the practice in the East.

'The previous week a Cleese sketch had been broadcast in which accountancy was ridiculed as a boring, soul- destroying profession. When Cleese asked the accountant if he had minded the sketch, he looked blank and asked why he should have. Because it poked fun at accountants, explained Cleese. "Oh no," smiled the accountant, "you see, the man in the sketch was a Chartered accountant, and I'm Certified."

[ad_orientem]

Zzzz!

[Nearly Sane]

Zzzz!

is that you expressing the attitude after another big load into Scooby?

[ad_orientem]

What?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

What?

Sane's posts always end up with his opponents shooting their load.......
He's a more developed person after all.

I can always see it "cumming" though.

[Nearly Sane]

What?

your wanksock. You know, your version of the Miller-Urey experiment, just waiting to be struck by lightning, to do full abiogenesis and scrabble onto to dry land from the spunksea that is your floor.

[ad_orientem]

your wanksock. You know, your version of the Miller-Urey experiment, just waiting to be struck by lightning, to do full abiogenesis and scrabble onto to dry land from the spunksea that is your floor.

I said, what? You're obviously the one obsessed with man juice.

[Nearly Sane]

I said, what? You're obviously the one obsessed with man juice.

not the one touting celibacy as something that's worthwhile, shiny shiny miroor

[ad_orientem]

not the one touting celibacy as something that's worthwhile, shiny shiny miroor

You've definitely lost it, pal!

[Hope]

I can't understand how they can accept a non celibate Anglican priest, but not allow their home grown variety to get married!

I think kit has to do with another issue that the RCC don't agree with - divorce.  It can't be seen to be promoting it!!   

[ad_orientem]

I think kit has to do with another issue that the RCC don't agree with - divorce.  It can't be seen to be promoting it!!   

Not at all. The Uniate Churches (eastern rite Churches in communion with Rome) have married priests too. As I said, the problem isn't with martied men becoming priests, it's just that the custom in the western rite came to be that only unmarried men were accepted into the priesthood and once ordained, that person may no longer get married. Umarried priests have never, as a general rule, been allowed to marry both East and West.

[Alan Burns]

Dear ad o,

Help me out old son I am a tad confused about all this celibacy nonsense, in our few exchanges on this forum you seem to hold the Apostles in high regard, Peter, the guy who got the keys, the one who Jesus said,

Mathew 16:18

    And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

He was a married man, he could appreciate a good mother in law joke, in fact I think quite a few Apostles were married, what's all the fuss about celibacy.

Gonnagle.

Dear Gonnagle,

The quote you make is the reason we support celibacy in our church.  Jesus assigned Peter to be the foundation of His church on earth, so the direct successor to Peter (our Pope) will have the authority, guided by the Holy Spirit, to define how the church must act on spiritual matters.  If I question the authority of the Pope, I am questioning the foundation set up by Jesus Himself.  I firmly believe that the devil delights in the divisions and splits which have occured in the last millenia.