Pope John Paul II...

[floo]

He was a married man, he could appreciate a good mother in law joke, in fact I think quite a few Apostles were married, what's all the fuss about celibacy.

Gonnagle.

Dear Gonnagle,

The quote you make is the reason we support celibacy in our church.  Jesus assigned Peter to be the foundation of His church on earth, so the direct successor to Peter (our Pope) will have the authority, guided by the Holy Spirit, to define how the church must act on spiritual matters.  If I question the authority of the Pope, I am questioning the foundation set up by Jesus Himself.  I firmly believe that the devil delights in the divisions and splits which have occured in the last millenia.

OH DEAR! Of course you should question the mere human Pope and any other Catholic priest! The reason why the RCC has got away with its many crimes over the centuries is because the gullible faithful have allowed them to get away with murder!

As for celibacy, as I have asked before, how come it is ok for a married Anglican to practise as a priest the RCC? Talk about hypocritical!

[ad_orientem]

As for celibacy, as I have asked before, how come it is ok for a married Anglican to practise as a priest the RCC? Talk about hypocritical!

Because as I've already explained, the problem isn't about married men becoming priests. You do understand the difference between a married man being allowed to become a priest but a priest not being allowed to marry?

[floo]

Because as I've already explained, the problem isn't about married men becoming priests. You do understand the difference between a married man being allowed to become a priest but a priest not being allowed to marry?

Which is totally crazy! For all we know Jesus could have been married/gay and had a full sex life!

[ad_orientem]

Which is totally crazy! For all we know Jesus could have been married/gay and had a full sex life!

Crazy according to whom? You? Doesn't count for much. As for our Lord, that's just wishful thinking on your part.

[Gonnagle]

Dear ad o and Alan,

Sorry but just can't get my head around all the fuss about married men, Our Lord chooses a married man to be the rock which he will build his Church, but putting that aside, if we go all the way back to the beginning, Adam was a sour faced sod until Eve came on the picture.

18 The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”

24 That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.

Just me, but I think both your Churches would benefit from doing away with all this nonsense about marriage, see the thread about the Pope having a girlfriend, then again, the Pope and the Patriarch with wives, they do have a way of taking over

Gonnagle.

[jeremyp]

Crazy according to whom? You? Doesn't count for much. As for our Lord, that's just wishful thinking on your part.

It's crazy according to anybody with a clear understanding of human nature.

[floo]

Crazy according to whom? You? Doesn't count for much. As for our Lord, that's just wishful thinking on your part.

You have no idea what Jesus got up to in his private life as it isn't recorded!

[ad_orientem]

Gonners,

The "rock" is the faith of the Apostles, as one of the oldest prayers in the ancient Roman liturgy shows us.

"We beseech Thee, almighty God, that Thou suffer no disturbance to shake us, whom Thou hast firmly established on the rock of apostolic confession. Through our Lord..." (collect for the vigil of the blessed Apostles Ss. Peter and Paul)

Lex orandi lex credendi!

In the East we allow married men to be ordained. Unmarried men who are ordained may not marry and this has always been the custom in both East and West. That the custom in the West is to ordain only unmarried men is a different issue, a legitimate one, and something entered into freely. No problem.

[ad_orientem]

It's crazy according to anybody with a clear understanding of human nature.

No, the spiritual man is governed by the Spirit, not by his penis, thus his human nature under control.

[ad_orientem]

You have no idea what Jesus got up to in his private life as it isn't recorded!

You say that because you do not have the faith of the Apostles.

[floo]

No, the spiritual man is governed by the Spirit, not by his penis, thus his human nature under control.

HA! HA! Then why have there been so many paedophile priests who are definitely dominated by their dangly bits?

[Leonard James]

You say that because you do not have the faith of the Apostles.

No, Floo says it because she hasn't swallowed the story lock, stock and barrel.

[jeremyp]

No, the spiritual man is governed by the Spirit, not by his penis, thus his human nature under control.

You don't have a clear understanding of human nature, it's warped by your religious beliefs.

The drive to have sex is often extremely strong, naturally so because the species would die out if not, and therefore trying to deny it can lead to all sorts of issues such as paedophile priests.

This idea that priests need to be celibate has nothing to do with Jesus or the Bible. It's time to forget about it.

[ad_orientem]

HA! HA! Then why have their been so many paedophile priests who are definitely dominated by their dangly bits?

Because they are not spiritual men but perverts who seek out places, including the priesthood, to defile children.

[jeremyp]

Because they are not spiritual men but perverts who seek out places, including the priesthood, to defile children.

No True Scotsman... House!

[Shaker]

No True Scotsman... House!

He did it back in #31 as well.

[floo]

I have to say it, presumably A o is at work, so how can he be giving his job the full attention it requires, whilst spending quite a lot of time posting on this forum? Those who claim their employers don't mind them posting at work, are probably in cloud cuckoo land!

[ad_orientem]

You don't have a clear understanding of human nature, it's warped by your religious beliefs.

The drive to have sex is often extremely strong, naturally so because the species would die out if not, and therefore trying to deny it can lead to all sorts of issues such as paedophile priests.

This idea that priests need to be celibate has nothing to do with Jesus or the Bible. It's time to forget about it.

Celibacy goes hand-in-hand with fasting. Infact, if anyone says that Christians have no need for fasting the. they do not know the Christian faith. Fasting and prayer helps subdue the passions.

It is simply the height of stupidity to suggest that celibacy is linked to paedophile priests, as if a man otherwise not attracted to children will all of a sudden want to defile them because he has not had sex. Completely idiotic. If the sexual urge is too much then he mus be aware that he has a hand. The natural option isn't to molest children.

[jeremyp]

Celibacy goes hand-in-hand with fasting.

Fine. But you wouldn't attempt to fast for your entire adult life would you?

It is simply the height of stupidity to suggest that celibacy is linked to paedophile priests, as if a man otherwise not attracted to children will all of a sudden want to defile them because he has not had sex. Completely idiotic. If the sexual urge is too much then he mus be aware that he has a hand. The natural option isn't to molest children.

Tell that to the paedophile priests.

[ad_orientem]

I have to say it, presumably A o is at work, so how can he be giving his job the full attention it requires, whilst spending quite a lot of time posting on this forum? Those who claim their employers don't mind them posting at work, are probably in cloud cuckoo land!

As I've said before, I'm glad you're nobody's boss, but it is indeed the case that many employers do allows their employees use the internet during work time, simply because the work they do allows them to. However, as it happens I'm on the morning shift this week so I already finished work an hour ago. At the end of the day, it's none of your business.

[Gonnagle]

Dear ad o,

Fasting, have we ever had a thread on fasting, it seems to be a common theme that runs through a lot of religions, even our Lord was sent into the wilderness where he fasted.

Matthew 4:1-11

Gonnagle.

[ad_orientem]

Fine. But you wouldn't attempt to fast for your entire adult life would you?
Tell that to the paedophile priests.

There is no evidence whatsover which suggests that celibacy causes paedophilia. Just stop and listen to yourself for a moment and you'll see just how stupid the suggestion is: that otherwise normal men all of a sudden are tempted to molest children because they have not had sex. It just doesn't make any sense. Surely they've heard of a hand? What we do know is that paedophiles seek out places of trust, including the priesthood, where they also have access to children. They were paedophiles before they entered the priesthood. They are not paedophiles because of celibacy.

[floo]

As I've said before, I'm glad you're nobody's boss, but it is indeed the case that many employers do allows their employees use the internet during work time, simply because the work they do allows them to. However, as it happens I'm on the morning shift this week so I already finished work an hour ago. At the end of the day, it's none of your business.

Many employers don't and rightly so!

[ad_orientem]

Many employers don't and rightly so!

Of course you think that but you're an old hag.

[Shaker]

Feel the Christian love. Again.