Pope John Paul II...

[ad_orientem]

How do you explain the Great Schism then?

By the time of the schism the West was already no longer part of the Church. The  Church still exists, the Holy Spirit still protects it from error, it's just the West ha no part in that.

[floo]

By the time of the schism the West was already no longer part of the Church. The  Church still exists, the Holy Spirit still protects it from error, it's just the West ha no part in that.

 

[jeremyp]

By the time of the schism the West was already no longer part of the Church.

But how could that be? Why was the West not protected by the Holy Spirit from whatever errors made it "no longer part of the Church"?

See? Your assertions are undone by even a simple application of logic that a child can understand.

[Rhiannon]

But how could that be? Why was the West not protected by the Holy Spirit from whatever errors made it "no longer part of the Church"?

See? Your assertions are undone by even a simple application of logic that a child can understand.

It seems that ad-o's god prefer exclusivity over compassion.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

By the time of the schism the West was already no longer part of the Church. The  Church still exists, the Holy Spirit still protects it from error, it's just the West ha no part in that.

I,m wondering about the widespread apostasy in much of the Orthodox East between 1917 and 1991.

[Khatru]

By the time of the schism the West was already no longer part of the Church. The  Church still exists, the Holy Spirit still protects it from error, it's just the West ha no part in that.

Looks like the Holy Spirit was remiss its duties.  Otherwise there'd have been no schism in the forst place.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Looks like the Holy Spirit was remiss its duties.  Otherwise there'd have been no schism in the forst place.

Atheism is merely unbelief in Gods one wonders therefore why you haven't STFU

[Khatru]

Atheism is merely unbelief in Gods one wonders therefore why you haven't STFU

You made a mistake with that sentence - you should have used the lowercase "g".

[Walt Zingmatilder]

You made a mistake with that sentence - you should have used the lowercase "g".

My apologies.

[Khatru]

My apologies.

No probs - I forgive you.

[Shaker]

It's the Christian thing to do.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

I,m wondering about the widespread apostasy in much of the Orthodox East between 1917 and 1991.

Communism did not encourage Orthodox Christianity. Many, like Peter, denied Jesus. Others did not, an example being Father Arsenie Broca, who died under communist torture less than a month before the regime fell.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArsenieBroca

I have visited Father Broca's grave, there was a two hour long queue of pilgrims.

[jeremyp]

Many, like Peter, denied Jesus.

What? Even though the Holy Spirit was protecting them from error?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

What? Even though the Holy Spirit was protecting them from error?

I think the point is that truth will survive somewhere.
If it is somewhere in an institutional church then the implication is that it may not
Surface everywhere in that church similarly I think the Holy Spirit is omnipresent.

I think it was the chief Rabbi who remarked that there could not be a Judaism without Jews but that if true Christianity could be so with no Christians.

[jeremyp]

I think the point is that truth will survive somewhere.

No the point is that Ad O. said that the Holy Spirit would protect the church from error. The Great Schism shows that it manifestly failed in that task. Given that the HS failed to keep all the Christians on message, there is no reason to suppose that it was capable of making sure that Ad O's church's traditions are true.

[Leonard James]

No the point is that Ad O. said that the Holy Spirit would protect the church from error. The Great Schism shows that it manifestly failed in that task. Given that the HS failed to keep all the Christians on message, there is no reason to suppose that it was capable of making sure that Ad O's church's traditions are true.

Traditions are just things that have been assumed for a long time. Whether they are true or not is neither here nor there.

[Dicky Underpants]

No the point is that Ad O. said that the Holy Spirit would protect the church from error. The Great Schism shows that it manifestly failed in that task. Given that the HS failed to keep all the Christians on message, there is no reason to suppose that it was capable of making sure that Ad O's church's traditions are true.

Indeed. The western pontiff thought that the Holy Spirit was guiding the Catholic Church in truth and that the Orthodox Church was in error. The eastern patriarch thought the reverse, naturally enough. The result was that the leaders of both churches excommunicated each other. What a farce!