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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2016, 01:25:00 PM »
Leonard

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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2016, 01:37:09 PM »
Dear Gonners

But..(sorry)..... you are sensible and interesting and entertaining.

A man who one can discuss stuff with. Even if you don't agree.

You don't need street cred, really you don't. So take off that Barber Jkt, deerstalker and the pink wellies. There's a good boy.

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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2016, 03:56:03 PM »
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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2016, 04:09:58 PM »
So the resurrected person will be a spiritual rather than a physical thing.

OK but.......

The person resurrected's spirit will be based upon its life experience. So how will the resurrected spirit of say a dead newly born child sit alongside that of a one who lived a full life and died aged 90?

I still cannot see how anyone can give any mileage to this concept.

Perhaps it's like those theories on multiverses.

One baby somewhere would have grown up 😜

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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2016, 04:34:41 PM »
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See you and I

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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2016, 04:58:32 PM »
So, if you've been good, when you die you go to live forever in a happy place with Jesus, so the idea goes.
And at this point, your argument begins to unravel, john.  'Good' isn't a qualifying trait (not to mention that 'good' is such a non-descript term that it is largely meaningless).

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An old man with severe arthritic pain ... is resurrected, does his pain continue in heaven, it was part of what he became?
Perhaps it would be a good idea to read the Bible before asking such a question - the New Testament makes it clear that 1) things like pain, ill-health, and even age will not exist in heaven; and 2) Jesus indicates that one's resuurrection body - be that spiritual or physical - will be 'new'

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An old woman who was born deaf dies. Will she be deaf in heaven?
See above

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A baby dies in childbirth and never did anything wrong and is resurrected. Will it remain a baby in heaven? And who will look after it and change it's nappies till mom gets there 50 years later?
See above

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As a result of of a battlefield injury a soldier has his legs and arms blown off and his torso damaged, medics fight to save him but after a month or so he succumbs to result of his massive trauma and dies. When resurrected will he get his arms and legs back?
See above

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A devoted young married Christian couple are separated at 25 years old when he dies in a train crash. She lives on Forever faithful to her husbands memory and dies aged 96 suffering with severe Alzheimer's disease. When resurrected will she recognized her ex hubby? Will he still find this 96 year old woman attractive?
As well as 'see above', Jesus teaches that human practices, such as marriage, will no longer be a concept in heaven.

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To me there is so much about the concept of resurrection that just doesn't make any kind of sense.
You are obviously making it far more complex than it really is - look at the way in which you have listed 5 scenarios as if they are different, when they are no such thing.
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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2016, 05:06:41 PM »
So the resurrected person will be a spiritual rather than a physical thing.

OK but.......

The person resurrected's spirit will be based upon its life experience. So how will the resurrected spirit of say a dead newly born child sit alongside that of a one who lived a full life and died aged 90?
Perhaps you could provide us with the Biblical references that support this understanding, john?

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I still cannot see how anyone can give any mileage to this concept.
Not sure that anyone sees how you can give any mileage to the concept, john  ;)
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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2016, 05:18:16 PM »
Hopey

Do not consider it worthwhile to discuss this issue with you. You clearly do not grasp the consequences involved.
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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #33 on: February 18, 2016, 05:26:18 PM »
Hopey

Do not consider it worthwhile to discuss this issue with you. You clearly do not grasp the consequences involved.
OK, that's your right, but then refusing to discuss it shows that there is nothing to your concerns in the first place.
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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2016, 05:28:38 PM »
So the resurrected person will be a spiritual rather than a physical thing.

OK but.......

The person resurrected's spirit will be based upon its life experience. So how will the resurrected spirit of say a dead newly born child sit alongside that of a one who lived a full life and died aged 90?

I still cannot see how anyone can give any mileage to this concept.
I would guess that a mystic might say that the spirit is not about personality and life experience but more about purity of spirit.  A 90 year old will need to have become purified of his life's attachments, whereas the child will not have accumulated such attachments .... and so .... 'unless you become as a small child, you will not enter the divine state (Heaven)'.

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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #35 on: February 18, 2016, 05:38:16 PM »
Would someone please, please, please, correct the spelling of the title? Synthetic Dave reads what's there and it's really irritating to hear the word 'resurrection' read as 'resherkshun'

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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #36 on: February 18, 2016, 05:45:23 PM »
Would someone please, please, please, correct the spelling of the title? Synthetic Dave reads what's there and it's really irritating to hear the word 'resurrection' read as 'resherkshun'

thank you.
It's spelt wrongly, Susan. It is in fact resurrection.

Edit.

Oh sorry ... now I realise that you know that and want it corrected. Maybe a mod will do it.

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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2016, 06:09:24 PM »
Susan

so sorry my error caused you trouble.

I do not know how to edit a title.

Hope a mod can sort it for you.

Best Wishes

John
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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #38 on: February 18, 2016, 06:12:44 PM »
Susan

so sorry my error caused you trouble.

I do not know how to edit a title.

Hope a mod can sort it for you.

Best Wishes

John

If you go to the OP and click modify, it allows you to edit the title.

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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #39 on: February 18, 2016, 06:40:59 PM »
Moderator:

I can fix this by moving the thread temporarily, since it needs all the titles of each post to be changed to be certain - give me 10 minutes and I'll fix it.

Update: done.
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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #40 on: February 18, 2016, 07:13:46 PM »
Moderator:

I can fix this by moving the thread temporarily, since it needs all the titles of each post to be changed to be certain - give me 10 minutes and I'll fix it.

Update: done.
Well, done, Gordon.  Note to all - mods do an amazing job in the background; pleeze don't diss them!! ;)
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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #41 on: February 18, 2016, 07:17:27 PM »
Thank you, Gordon! Synthetic Dave (do you know, I've only just realised that he has the same initials as me!!!) is happy now. :D
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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #42 on: February 18, 2016, 07:31:21 PM »
Thank you, Gordon! Synthetic Dave (do you know, I've only just realised that he has the same initials as me!!!) is happy now. :D

Susan

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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #43 on: February 18, 2016, 07:46:25 PM »
Gonners (a poster who seems more sensible than most) asked me.....

Does it keep you awake at night, all this nonsense we Christians chunter on about :o

Well frankly yes. In earlier times in one way, currently in another.

I was brought up as a regular CofE attender and sang in the choir till my mid teens and was a believer. Then a couple of things happened to make me rethink my beliefs, my father died aged only 46 and I started to study science seriously for work. The dichotomy between my beliefs and my science/logic studies was a problem as was gods unfairness at taking my dad before I ever really got to know him, I was a schoolboy when he died. Also there was the awful feelings of guilt I had imaging my Dad watching and tut tutting at me from heaven at my every misdeed....some 60 years later I still feel a bit of this guilt. My church teachings planted that guilt on me. So these aspects kept me awake.

Later in life/currently "the nonsense" still causes "Sleeplessness" when I ask a question like my OP I expect to hear some sort of consistent answer from Christians but I get instead a wide variety of totally different answers, some waffle, some insane ramblings, some who can know the mind of god replies, etc. You guys have had over 2000 years to figure this stuff out and still you haven't got anything sensible/logical in the way of an explanation.

And still you infest the minds of the young with these harmful beliefs.

Yep it keeps me awake, thinking about it.
Can't tell if you are a Christian or not. You sound half in and half out. If you are not one then I can't see how these issues really bothers you, and if you wish you were one, because of your past, then I can see how these questions may hang around you. Which is it?

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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #44 on: February 18, 2016, 07:53:10 PM »
1 Corinthiams 15:43-44 !!??

"All men wishing to enter the assembly of the Lord must first queue here to have their genitals inspected in order to ensure nothing is broken or missing.  Missing foreskins are OK"?

Sorry.  I've been watching Ref Dwarf again.
Which series and episode is that from, I don't recognise it.

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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #45 on: February 18, 2016, 09:11:52 PM »
Beg pardon.

Did Jesus base his teachings on moral non-realism?

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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #46 on: February 18, 2016, 11:24:03 PM »

As well as 'see above', Jesus teaches that human practices, such as marriage, will no longer be a concept in heaven.


Being human is an intrinsic part of who we all are. If Heaven takes that away from you, what is left?
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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #47 on: February 19, 2016, 09:17:05 AM »
I would guess that a mystic might say that the spirit is not about personality and life experience but more about purity of spirit.  A 90 year old will need to have become purified of his life's attachments, whereas the child will not have accumulated such attachments .... and so .... 'unless you become as a small child, you will not enter the divine state (Heaven)'.

Time after time, Ekim, I notice no-one picks up on your posts. I guess it's because this is 98% (?) an atheists (materialistically thinking) forum. But yes, nail on the head, once again.
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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #48 on: February 19, 2016, 09:30:32 AM »
Time after time, Ekim, I notice no-one picks up on your posts. I guess it's because this is 98% (?) an atheists (materialistically thinking) forum. But yes, nail on the head, once again.
Shhhhh, I think my cunning plan is working!  ;)

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Re: Resurrection
« Reply #49 on: February 19, 2016, 09:32:19 AM »
Shhhhh, I think my cunning plan is working!  ;)

Haha..... I'm with you. ;)
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