The Biblical Contradiction Thread

[Khatru]

I'm afraid that I didn't even associate the comment about Sass with the previous paragraph.  I just thoght that you were doing a bit of Sass-bashing.

Sass commented on a post of Floo's.  I responded to Sass with my tuppence worth.  Sass refused to answer my points instead wailing at how the conversation was between her and Floo.

So my response to you was my mockery of that. 

Who God is for Christians is pretty widely accepted by Christians.  I am fully aware that there are those, even the occasional ones in influential places in the hirarchy, whobelieve other things, but then one has to consider whether one needs to test their claims against Jesus' teaching.  I'm also aware that there are groups who invoke the name of Jesus including, of course, Hindus and Muslims.  Unless you are suggesting that the latter two examples are simply Christians by (a) different name, one has to accept that invoking the name of Jesus isn't all that is required to qualify as a Christian.

Is Jesus God or is he the son of God?

A fundamental question which Christians still can't agree on after nearly 2000 years.

[Hope]

Is Jesus God or is he the son of God?

A fundamental question which Christians still can't agree on after nearly 2000 years.

First place to start is with Jesus' claims; then how God the Father refers to him at his baptism, and then how the early church understood the situation.  Church tradition, alone, isn't valid; realistically, one of these 3 elements alone isn't sufficient evidence, but when all 3 come together as they do in the NewTestament, it is pretty decisive.

As for your second point, it is one of the 2 or 3 fundamental points that the vast majority of Christians (and probably all mainstream Christians) agree on.

Furthermore, there have been attempts over that same 2000 year period to knock the idea over, all of which have proved fruitless.

[Gordon]

Furthermore, there have been attempts over that same 2000 year period to knock the idea over, all of which have proved fruitless.

Such as, and why fruitless?

[Shaker]

First place to start is with Jesus' claims; then how God the Father refers to him at his baptism, and then how the early church understood the situation.  Church tradition, alone, isn't valid; realistically, one of these 3 elements alone isn't sufficient evidence, but when all 3 come together as they do in the NewTestament, it is pretty decisive.

As for your second point, it is one of the 2 or 3 fundamental points that the vast majority of Christians (and probably all mainstream Christians) agree on.

Furthermore, there have been attempts over that same 2000 year period to knock the idea over, all of which have proved fruitless.

This is a veritable cascade of logical fallacies.

[Sassy]

So that's why I'm not qualified to pass comment on the Bible's flaws?

You missed out some other reasons that Christians often give:

I don't understand because I need to know how to translate Hebrew and Greek
I don't understand because I need to view it from a child's perspective
I don't understand because, unlike you, I'm not a "true Christian"
I don't understand because I'm not a biblical scholar
I don't understand because I took the scripture out of context.
I don't understand because it means something other than what it actually says
I don't understand because it's an allegory
I don't understand because my mind is far too feeble to comprehend your god's truth
I don't understand because I've not been filled with the holy spirit

Then of course, we have the "we're not supposed to understand it because God works in mysterious ways"

All of the above are used by believers in their efforts to defend the contradiction and error found throughout the Bible. I have no doubt you've used some of them yourself.


Will I be able to quote scriptures the way you do when your truth finally hits me?

In the meantime and while we're waiting, please consider these divine utterances:

al-Qu'ran

Surat Al-Ghashiyah

88:1 Has there reached you the report of the Overwhelming [event]?
88:2 [Some] faces, that Day, will be humbled,
88:3 Working [hard] and exhausted.
88:4 They will [enter to] burn in an intensely hot Fire.
88:5 They will be given drink from a boiling spring.
88:6 For them there will be no food except from a poisonous, thorny plant
88:7 Which neither nourishes nor avails against hunger.
88:8 [Other] faces, that Day, will show pleasure.
88:9 With their effort [they are] satisfied
88:10 In an elevated garden,
88:11 Wherein they will hear no unsuitable speech.
88:12 Within it is a flowing spring.
88:13 Within it are couches raised high
88:14 And cups put in place
88:15 And cushions lined up
88:16 And carpets spread around.
88:17 Then do they not look at the camels - how they are created?

There......Wasn't that great?

Did you feel your spirit soar when reading those words?  Do you agree that the above quoted wisdom warrants consideration alongside yours?

Or perhaps like me, you find it worthless and devoid of meaning because you don't acknowledge the source authority as being the one true god whose messenger is Mohammed.

I'll be pleased if you don't accept it because it may give you an idea of how I feel when I see your colonic squirts of scripture.

Blooming heck! He moved the goal post so far you would need to take a space ship to go and see it...

You are really stupid and stupid is as stupid does.

If life was like a box of chocolates you wouldn't know which one you had got without the pictures of the chocolates naming the flavours...

[Leonard James]

Blooming heck! He moved the goal post so far you would need to take a space ship to go and see it...

You are really stupid and stupid is as stupid does.

Whilst I don't think you are entirely stupid, Sass, you give a very good impression of being so when you start spouting your bullshit.

[jeremyp]

Such as, and why fruitless?

Because Christians are impervious to reason when it comes to their illogical ideas about God.

[Khatru]

Blooming heck! He moved the goal post so far you would need to take a space ship to go and see it...

You are really stupid and stupid is as stupid does.

If life was like a box of chocolates you wouldn't know which one you had got without the pictures of the chocolates naming the flavours...

You just gave me another one for my list of Christian responses:

Don't even try to refute what's been said... just hurl abuse instead.

Why get so mad?

Must be because those scriptures from the Quran made perfect sense to you.

Hardly a surprise given that Christians and Muslims are brothers in delusion.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Found a contradiction in the Bible?

I've already touched on one with the two different lists of the Ten Commandments.

Please feel free to share any others here and perhaps a true believer or two may wish to correct the biblical errors.

In the meantime, here are a modest few:

"Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective."

James 5:16

vs

"As it is written, there is none righteous, no, not one"

Romans 3:10

A clear contradiction.  James talks about the prayers of righteous men while Paul tells us that no one is righteous.

The Epistle of James was written by James the Righteous, the brother of Jesus, and is part of the Jewish school of Christianity. The letter to the Romans was written by St Paul, and is part of the Gentile school of Christianity. Ultimately the former lost out to the latter. This cherry pick is misleading since the two excerpts are discussing quite different matters, the former is intended to give guidance to those facing persecution, the latter condemns the hypocrisy of those who think they are righteous but are not.

[Khatru]

The Epistle of James was written by James the Righteous, the brother of Jesus, and is part of the Jewish school of Christianity. The letter to the Romans was written by St Paul, and is part of the Gentile school of Christianity. Ultimately the former lost out to the latter. This cherry pick is misleading since the two excerpts are discussing quite different matters, the former is intended to give guidance to those facing persecution, the latter condemns the hypocrisy of those who think they are righteous but are not.

Does Paul couch his statement about no one being righteous with some sort of caveat that takes into account what James says?

Also, Paul says "as it is written" 

Where is it written?

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Does Paul couch his statement about no one being righteous with some sort of caveat that takes into account what James says?

Also, Paul says "as it is written" 

Where is it written?

1). No. Why should he?

2). Ecclesiastes.

[Sassy]

You just gave me another one for my list of Christian responses:

Don't even try to refute what's been said... just hurl abuse instead.

Why get so mad?

Must be because those scriptures from the Quran made perfect sense to you.

Hardly a surprise given that Christians and Muslims are brothers in delusion.

Again epic fail... the original post shows that you have moved from the original discussion. Poor thing looking so stupid.

[Leonard James]

Again epic fail... the original post shows that you have moved from the original discussion. Poor thing looking so stupid.

There you go again with your insulting remarks ... you really are a spiteful old bitch at times, Sass.

[Khatru]

1). No. Why should he?

To reduce the chances of people misinterpreting the holy messages.  Looking at it, there is, ostensibly, a contradiction, if you say it can be explained away by looking deeper into what Paul said.  Perhaps a statement drawing people's attention to this - just for the avoidance of doubt.

2). Ecclesiastes.

Ecclesiastes says that "no-one is righteous?

[Khatru]

Again epic fail... the original post shows that you have moved from the original discussion. Poor thing looking so stupid.

I think you'll find that many threads stray away from the OP.

Still throwing insults, though - how rude.

Looks like I've got you rattled.

What does your Quran say?

[jeremyp]

The Epistle of James was written by James the Righteous, the brother of Jesus, and is part of the Jewish school of Christianity.

It's almost certainly false that James was the author of that letter.

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/james.html

[Sassy]

There you go again with your insulting remarks ... you really are a spiteful old bitch at times, Sass.

Don't be such a drama queen.  Nothing bitchy about it. Seems you are showing your true colours.

[Sassy]

I think you'll find that many threads stray away from the OP.

Still throwing insults, though - how rude.

Looks like I've got you rattled.

What does your Quran say?

You couldn't rattle anyone even with a rattle or rattle snake...
The Quran is not Christian and it contradicts the bible...
I guess you would not know having never read either book.

[Leonard James]

Don't be such a drama queen.  Nothing bitchy about it. Seems you are showing your true colours.

Don't add lying to your talents, Sass! Anybody can see that your post was condescending and insulting, and you should be ashamed of yourself  for not apologising.

Referring to Khatru as "a poor thing" and "stupid" is the height of bitchiness, when it is clear that his intelligence and knowledge are vastly superior to yours.

[jeremyp]

Don't add lying to your talents,

That boat has left the dock. That train has left the station. The horse has bolted and now you are shutting the stable door.

[Leonard James]

That boat has left the dock. That train has left the station. The horse has bolted and now you are shutting the stable door.

I'm getting used to being at the back of the queue! 

[ippy]

All of these people with a direct line to Mr magic in the sky and none of them will tell how. (Or can tell).

ippy

[Khatru]

You couldn't rattle anyone even with a rattle or rattle snake...
The Quran is not Christian and it contradicts the bible...
I guess you would not know having never read either book.

The Bible is self-contradictory; it doesn't need other books to contradict it.

As for Islam - you're much closer to being a Muslim than you think......

You believe in a sky pixie having his revenge on his own creation.  You believe in grovelling and muttering to your sky pixie and you believe in paradise and hell. You also happen to believe in djinns (you call them angels and demons) and you're obsessed with homosexuality and nudity.

You're just a prayer mat and camel away from Islam.

[OH MY WORLD!]

No he hasn't actually read the Bible. What he does is use atheist sites and brings up all the same old crap that we've gone over. Late to the rodeo is what he is. He does seem obsessed with God. That's good.

[Shaker]

No he hasn't actually read the Bible. What he does is use atheist sites and brings up all the same old crap that we've gone over.

...and still haven't refuted